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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Harry" data-source="post: 892886" data-attributes="member: 5468"><p>I don't feel that this is a religious debate, primarily because I am not speaking of <strong>ontological</strong> naturalism the belief system(and I do not think that I should speak of ontological naturalism as a philosophical system, as I do not hold to it myself) , but the <strong>methodological</strong> naturalism of the lab. I can measure, in a lab, whether one rock formation is older than another, but I cannot "measure" if one scupture is better than another. Methodological naturalism is nothing more than saying "What can be studied of natural causes from natural effects can be studied scientifically. Methodological naturalism, as opposed to ontological naturalism (naturalism, the philosophy) does not say that that which cannot be studied naturallistically does not exist, but merely that it ain't science.</p><p></p><p>That's why (since this thread has been labeled OT from the start) I've gone down this path in the thread. Since religious and political beliefs are, by the definition above, not scientific, by restricting my discussion to scientifically addressable issues and not addressing how some religious/political beliefs might be affected by scientific observations, I avoid breaking ENWorld rules.</p><p></p><p>In fact, I feel confident that no one could sucessfully guess my religious opinions/affiliation from my ENWorld post. As the rest of your post is founded firmly on a premise that I feel is flawed at its base, I did not address it specifically.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and I did have a way to include monkey poop in this discussion, but I dropped it for taste reasons. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Harry, post: 892886, member: 5468"] I don't feel that this is a religious debate, primarily because I am not speaking of [B]ontological[/B] naturalism the belief system(and I do not think that I should speak of ontological naturalism as a philosophical system, as I do not hold to it myself) , but the [B]methodological[/B] naturalism of the lab. I can measure, in a lab, whether one rock formation is older than another, but I cannot "measure" if one scupture is better than another. Methodological naturalism is nothing more than saying "What can be studied of natural causes from natural effects can be studied scientifically. Methodological naturalism, as opposed to ontological naturalism (naturalism, the philosophy) does not say that that which cannot be studied naturallistically does not exist, but merely that it ain't science. That's why (since this thread has been labeled OT from the start) I've gone down this path in the thread. Since religious and political beliefs are, by the definition above, not scientific, by restricting my discussion to scientifically addressable issues and not addressing how some religious/political beliefs might be affected by scientific observations, I avoid breaking ENWorld rules. In fact, I feel confident that no one could sucessfully guess my religious opinions/affiliation from my ENWorld post. As the rest of your post is founded firmly on a premise that I feel is flawed at its base, I did not address it specifically. Oh, and I did have a way to include monkey poop in this discussion, but I dropped it for taste reasons. :) [/QUOTE]
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