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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Harry" data-source="post: 893044" data-attributes="member: 5468"><p>?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can state that one rock formation shows a different age than another based upon the tested and established principles that the dating method rests upon. Please see the link below, which provides an excellent explantion of radiometric dating.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html" target="_blank">http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html</a></p><p></p><p>Are you actually demanding absolute answers? That something must be "true" before we can say that we know, or can measure something?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Certainly not. Please see discussion in:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/replynfl.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/replynfl.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In a deterministic fashion? I would say "No." Random events on the subatomic level makes this impossible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is possible, but I am certainly not going to say that "thing x is unknowable", thus closing off an avenue of research. I doubt there is anything natural that is in principle unknowable simply because of our success rate over the last couple of hundred years of expanding our knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow. I had to reread this one twice. Science is the activity of making conclusions based on the evidence at hand, and then testing those conclusions. Are there ever any <em>final</em> conclusions?</p><p></p><p>No, because science doesn't work that way; but we do have a number of theories (that is, systems of understandings) that have withstood so much scrutiny that we may speak of them with great confidence.</p><p></p><p>Wow. So we're allowed to look at the world, but not to try and explain it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If and only if it taken "outside the lab". "inside" the lab, it is allowed and required.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To abandon point 2 as a working basis is to set some areas aside as "we aren't allowed to study this, because it has been declared unknowable." I would say such a statement is actively morally wrong.</p><p></p><p>I fail to see how your second point is germane to anything that has appeared in this thread. We can speak of what we know without having to know everything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have provided a number of sources in support what I have said (especially in regard to the claims as far as the "conservation of information" goes), as is proper practice. I recommend this practice to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Harry, post: 893044, member: 5468"] ? I can state that one rock formation shows a different age than another based upon the tested and established principles that the dating method rests upon. Please see the link below, which provides an excellent explantion of radiometric dating. [url]http://www.asa3.org/aSA/resources/Wiens.html[/url] Are you actually demanding absolute answers? That something must be "true" before we can say that we know, or can measure something? Certainly not. Please see discussion in: [url]http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/replynfl.html[/url] [url]http://www.talkorigins.org/design/faqs/nfl/[/url] In a deterministic fashion? I would say "No." Random events on the subatomic level makes this impossible. It is possible, but I am certainly not going to say that "thing x is unknowable", thus closing off an avenue of research. I doubt there is anything natural that is in principle unknowable simply because of our success rate over the last couple of hundred years of expanding our knowledge. Wow. I had to reread this one twice. Science is the activity of making conclusions based on the evidence at hand, and then testing those conclusions. Are there ever any [i]final[/i] conclusions? No, because science doesn't work that way; but we do have a number of theories (that is, systems of understandings) that have withstood so much scrutiny that we may speak of them with great confidence. Wow. So we're allowed to look at the world, but not to try and explain it. If and only if it taken "outside the lab". "inside" the lab, it is allowed and required. To abandon point 2 as a working basis is to set some areas aside as "we aren't allowed to study this, because it has been declared unknowable." I would say such a statement is actively morally wrong. I fail to see how your second point is germane to anything that has appeared in this thread. We can speak of what we know without having to know everything. I have provided a number of sources in support what I have said (especially in regard to the claims as far as the "conservation of information" goes), as is proper practice. I recommend this practice to you. [/QUOTE]
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