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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 53227" data-attributes="member: 307"><p>Well, I think the real problem with this reasoning <em>now</em> is that I think it is very possible that this sort of very public scndal may have irreparably damaged figure skating's integrity in the view of many people.</p><p></p><p>Now, I start with a bias (one that I share with Michael Wilbon) in that I am very suspicious of judged events in general, and think they don't belong in the Olympics to begin with. I have always thought that judged events, by the very subjective nature of the format, were very susceptible to corruption and arbitrary results as the judges just decide who they want to win and then rig the results until they fit what they want. The counter to this thought has always been that the judges have very high integrity, and look out for the best interests of figure skating, and try to be as impartial as they can.</p><p></p><p>But that was prior to this <em>very</em> public exposure of the corrupt nature of figure skating. Sure, there have been things that were suspicious in the past, and in many cases examples of likely corruption. Judges setting out the results of the ice dancing competition before the teams skated, judges using foot signals to coordinate their voting, Oksana Baiul's coaches mother being one of the judges at her Olympic competition, and a number of other pieces of information. But <em>now</em> there is more than just pieces of information, now you have the French skating President making apologies for the "fragile" nature of the French judge, and the referee of the event lodging a formal protest and a number of other things.</p><p></p><p>Now the arguments that figure skating isn't rife with corruption simply carry no weight. And the root cause of the corrpution is the subjective nature of the sport itself. And the problem for figure skating is that even if it <em>does</em> really clean itself up, and make serious changes to ensure impartiality, you can't get rid of the subjective element of the event. And because of that a cloud of doubt will always hang over figure skating (and quite possibly, other judged events) because of the very real opportunity to abuse the system and corrupt the results. I doubt if skating, even if completely cleaned up, will ever be able to lift that cloud of doubt that hangs over it right now.</p><p></p><p>Now, given the ISU president's response to the questions from reporters in his recent press conference (in which he belittled them for not being judges and having the temerity to question the results), I don't think there is <em>any</em> chance that figure skating will really clean itself up. Given the ISU president's downright hostile reaction to one of the most reasonable proposals made (change the judging so that only neutral judges would be on the panel), I think skating will hunker down into its self-referential bunker, stick their fingers in their ears and say "I don't hear you, la, la, la, la".</p><p></p><p>About the only way I can think of for figure skating to reasonably recover its reputation would be for the IOC to throw them out and tell them "come back when you've fixed the problems and we'll investigate to see if you did, and then maybe reinstate your event." That won't happen, but unless that, or something similar happens, the ISU won't fix anything, and the cloud of suspicion will trail the event for a long time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 53227, member: 307"] Well, I think the real problem with this reasoning [i]now[/i] is that I think it is very possible that this sort of very public scndal may have irreparably damaged figure skating's integrity in the view of many people. Now, I start with a bias (one that I share with Michael Wilbon) in that I am very suspicious of judged events in general, and think they don't belong in the Olympics to begin with. I have always thought that judged events, by the very subjective nature of the format, were very susceptible to corruption and arbitrary results as the judges just decide who they want to win and then rig the results until they fit what they want. The counter to this thought has always been that the judges have very high integrity, and look out for the best interests of figure skating, and try to be as impartial as they can. But that was prior to this [i]very[/i] public exposure of the corrupt nature of figure skating. Sure, there have been things that were suspicious in the past, and in many cases examples of likely corruption. Judges setting out the results of the ice dancing competition before the teams skated, judges using foot signals to coordinate their voting, Oksana Baiul's coaches mother being one of the judges at her Olympic competition, and a number of other pieces of information. But [i]now[/i] there is more than just pieces of information, now you have the French skating President making apologies for the "fragile" nature of the French judge, and the referee of the event lodging a formal protest and a number of other things. Now the arguments that figure skating isn't rife with corruption simply carry no weight. And the root cause of the corrpution is the subjective nature of the sport itself. And the problem for figure skating is that even if it [i]does[/i] really clean itself up, and make serious changes to ensure impartiality, you can't get rid of the subjective element of the event. And because of that a cloud of doubt will always hang over figure skating (and quite possibly, other judged events) because of the very real opportunity to abuse the system and corrupt the results. I doubt if skating, even if completely cleaned up, will ever be able to lift that cloud of doubt that hangs over it right now. Now, given the ISU president's response to the questions from reporters in his recent press conference (in which he belittled them for not being judges and having the temerity to question the results), I don't think there is [i]any[/i] chance that figure skating will really clean itself up. Given the ISU president's downright hostile reaction to one of the most reasonable proposals made (change the judging so that only neutral judges would be on the panel), I think skating will hunker down into its self-referential bunker, stick their fingers in their ears and say "I don't hear you, la, la, la, la". About the only way I can think of for figure skating to reasonably recover its reputation would be for the IOC to throw them out and tell them "come back when you've fixed the problems and we'll investigate to see if you did, and then maybe reinstate your event." That won't happen, but unless that, or something similar happens, the ISU won't fix anything, and the cloud of suspicion will trail the event for a long time. [/QUOTE]
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