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<blockquote data-quote="Beginning of the End" data-source="post: 5298217" data-attributes="member: 55271">It's the &quot;never works&quot; that pushes it over the edge.If somebody said, &quot;Being friends with black guys never works. I knew a black guy once and he was a jerk.&quot; I don't think we'd have any problem spotting the racism.With that being said, my comment was meant to raise awareness of what I felt was unconscious sexism being propagated. I'm not really interested in pointing fingers and crying &quot;heretic!&quot;. But hopefully we can eliminate that aspect of the thread not that attention has been called to it, while still continuing to have an interesting discussion about significant others and gaming.Regarding significant others at the gaming table: I've never had a problem with it. But I've generally only played with mature people in healthy relationships. My groups also tend to look at the GM as just being a member of the group, rather than an authority figure or an antagonist.Change any one of these things I can see how you'd immediately run into problems: If you're in one of those groups where the dynamic is &quot;players vs. GM&quot;, for example, and you suddenly introduce a player who the GM has a strong motivation not to antagonize... Well, you've suddenly unbalanced the play dynamic.On the other hand, even that isn't necessarily problematic. I've played Descent (a dungeoncrawl boardgame with an explicitly antagonistic relationship between GM and players) with married couples on either side of the &quot;screen&quot; and not run into any problems because the couple didn't have any problem being in competition with each other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Beginning of the End, post: 5298217, member: 55271"] It's the "never works" that pushes it over the edge. If somebody said, "Being friends with black guys never works. I knew a black guy once and he was a jerk." I don't think we'd have any problem spotting the racism. With that being said, my comment was meant to raise awareness of what I felt was unconscious sexism being propagated. I'm not really interested in pointing fingers and crying "heretic!". But hopefully we can eliminate that aspect of the thread not that attention has been called to it, while still continuing to have an interesting discussion about significant others and gaming. Regarding significant others at the gaming table: I've never had a problem with it. But I've generally only played with mature people in healthy relationships. My groups also tend to look at the GM as just being a member of the group, rather than an authority figure or an antagonist. Change any one of these things I can see how you'd immediately run into problems: If you're in one of those groups where the dynamic is "players vs. GM", for example, and you suddenly introduce a player who the GM has a strong motivation not to antagonize... Well, you've suddenly unbalanced the play dynamic. On the other hand, even that isn't [i]necessarily[/i] problematic. I've played [i]Descent[/i] (a dungeoncrawl boardgame with an explicitly antagonistic relationship between GM and players) with married couples on either side of the "screen" and not run into any problems because the couple didn't have any problem being in competition with each other. [/QUOTE]

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