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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5899156" data-attributes="member: 46713">Dunno. I think the 'problem' isn't solved by dropping skills and relying on attribute checks instead. If you have any kind of check, immersion suffers.To give a fairly recent example from our 4e campaign:Our party had been sneaking up on a high cliff overseeing a goblin town. This started a skill challenge to accumulate successes to find a way to enter and navigate the town undetected (although the DM didn't say so; this was just something being obvious to me as a player).So what did I do? I looked over my list of skills to see which of my trained skills lent itself best to the task. I decided to attempt something involving my Streetwise check and told the DM I was looking for patterns in the goblins' movements, particularly the routes taken by patrols and any buildings that seemed to be highly frequented.So my DM said "Fine, please make an Insight check."Naturally, I was a bit miffed by that, since my Insight skill was rather bad. Unfortunately, asking "But wouldn't that rather be a Streetwise check?" didn't sway my DM at all.There's several things to note here:- the rules influenced my choice of actions: basically, as a player I try to maximize my chances to succeed at a given task by applying my rules knowledge (in this case about how skill challenges work)- my character's stats influence my choice of actions: rather than thinking about what my character would likely do, I think about what my character's good at (although it could be argued that the pc knows what he's good at, too, and would prefer actions making use of his best skills)- describing my actions in non-game-terms can lead to unexpected/unwanted results: I prefer telling my DM "I use skill X to <do stuff>", because this increases ethe likelihood of an expected result. Not mentioning the skill I'd like to use carries a greater risk of being 'overruled' and having to use a different skill.So, yes, I'm apparently a shameless meta- and powergamer <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />As a player I'll always want to maximize my chances to succeed. If the system doesn't have skills, I'll want to use the pc's best attribute instead. If the system doesn't even have attributes, I'll want to use my character's background instead. And if the system is built to only challenge the player's skill, I'll try to use _my_ best skills whenever possible.</blockquote>

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