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<blockquote data-quote="TheGrandNuge" data-source="post: 5899819" data-attributes="member: 84075">What I don't really know is, What's the check like, actually? My rogue with an 18 dex can succeed at more stuff without rolling than my barbarian with a 12. But when encountering something they both have to roll against, what is the actual check? What bonus does my ability score translate too? Is the rogue really only 2 better, maybe 4 with a specialized background, at sneaking around the villain? Even though I can do a lot more w/o even rolling than the barbarian?&nbsp;I also worry about the narrowing of the gap 'tween an expert and someone who happens to have a good natural ability score. I understand wanting everyone in the group to be willing to try to sneak around a bad guy sometimes, and the like; but I also like having the 'go to' guys in the party for certain tasks. The guy who is always scouting ahead, etc...A +2 difference does not really create that. &nbsp;So a +2 from background and that's it? To differentiate my 8th level assassin from a 3rd level bard with the same dex? Something still has to be missing here. What if I don't choose a supersneaky background, can I become supersneaky somehow later? I think maybe an assassin should have a better chance at becoming supersneaky than the court rogue apart from one choice at the beginning of my career.Can you be an expert sneaker? Or expert anything? I wonder how that is to be accomplished.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheGrandNuge, post: 5899819, member: 84075"] What I don't really know is, What's the check like, actually? My rogue with an 18 dex can succeed at more stuff without rolling than my barbarian with a 12. But when encountering something they both have to roll against, what is the actual check? What bonus does my ability score translate too? Is the rogue really only 2 better, maybe 4 with a specialized background, at sneaking around the villain? Even though I can do a lot more w/o even rolling than the barbarian? I also worry about the narrowing of the gap 'tween an expert and someone who happens to have a good natural ability score. I understand wanting everyone in the group to be willing to try to sneak around a bad guy sometimes, and the like; but I also like having the 'go to' guys in the party for certain tasks. The guy who is always scouting ahead, etc...A +2 difference does not really create that. So a +2 from background and that's it? To differentiate my 8th level assassin from a 3rd level bard with the same dex? Something still has to be missing here. What if I don't choose a supersneaky background, can I become supersneaky somehow later? I think maybe an assassin should have a better chance at becoming supersneaky than the court rogue apart from one choice at the beginning of my career. Can you be an expert sneaker? Or expert anything? I wonder how that is to be accomplished. [/QUOTE]

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