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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9369698" data-attributes="member: 6877472">Sure but equally optional is any class, subclass, species, equipment options, and backgrounds not in the PHB for 5e (plus of course, Feats and Variant Humans are also optional) so I think that's kind of a wash.This isn't a &quot;5e is the best&quot; discussion point- It is probably my least favorite edition of D&amp;D.&nbsp; But saying that it takes longer to make a character than in 2e isn't really accurate.Also, when it comes to rules being complex, we are talking about AD&amp;D, right?&nbsp; I mean, there's more subsystems than you can shake a stick at even in the core books, and there's many many more in other books released for the game.Sure, it's true that many of those rules weren't used by most people, but I still see that as a wash, because every version of D&amp;D has rules people just ignore and rare are the DM's who don't add complexity with house rules of their own.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9369698, member: 6877472"] Sure but equally optional is any class, subclass, species, equipment options, and backgrounds not in the PHB for 5e (plus of course, Feats and Variant Humans are also optional) so I think that's kind of a wash. This isn't a "5e is the best" discussion point- It is probably my least favorite edition of D&D. But saying that it takes longer to make a character than in 2e isn't really accurate. Also, when it comes to rules being complex, we are talking about AD&D, right? I mean, there's more subsystems than you can shake a stick at even in the core books, and there's many many more in other books released for the game. Sure, it's true that many of those rules weren't used by most people, but I still see that as a wash, because every version of D&D has rules people just ignore and rare are the DM's who don't add complexity with house rules of their own. [/QUOTE]

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