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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 64985" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>Ah, but you are only partly right.</p><p></p><p>If the rule is clearly stated (as I think the rule about wearing armor vs. using shields is very clear), then intent matters not, for it is overuled by what was actually published.</p><p></p><p>Why?</p><p></p><p>Because we cannot know now what the intent was then, nor can we know exactly what was going with feedback from playtesters, etc.</p><p></p><p>We CAN know:</p><p></p><p>1. What was published.</p><p>2. What the designers NOW say their intentions were.</p><p></p><p>I submit that #1 is more important than #2, which is only important if you think #1 is unclear. I think #1 is clear in this case - the mere fact that many of you disagree with me does not sway me - good arguments sway me. I haven't yet seen one (though the one about "wearing" a buckler was close, and if a buckler was the only type of shield I might be convinced).</p><p></p><p>I should state that I've been swayed before, but not lately. This issue and the other recent big one (5' steps and Haste) are two where I feel that the rules absolutely support my position, but only if you read them ALL for they are not as clear as they should be.</p><p></p><p>I still find it impossible to accept the notion that</p><p></p><p>"...wearing armor..."</p><p></p><p>is the same as</p><p></p><p>"...wearing armor or using a shield..."</p><p></p><p>It's counter-intuitive and doesn't jive with the rest of the PHB.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 64985, member: 111"] Ah, but you are only partly right. If the rule is clearly stated (as I think the rule about wearing armor vs. using shields is very clear), then intent matters not, for it is overuled by what was actually published. Why? Because we cannot know now what the intent was then, nor can we know exactly what was going with feedback from playtesters, etc. We CAN know: 1. What was published. 2. What the designers NOW say their intentions were. I submit that #1 is more important than #2, which is only important if you think #1 is unclear. I think #1 is clear in this case - the mere fact that many of you disagree with me does not sway me - good arguments sway me. I haven't yet seen one (though the one about "wearing" a buckler was close, and if a buckler was the only type of shield I might be convinced). I should state that I've been swayed before, but not lately. This issue and the other recent big one (5' steps and Haste) are two where I feel that the rules absolutely support my position, but only if you read them ALL for they are not as clear as they should be. I still find it impossible to accept the notion that "...wearing armor..." is the same as "...wearing armor or using a shield..." It's counter-intuitive and doesn't jive with the rest of the PHB. [/QUOTE]
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