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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 4289797" data-attributes="member: 21169">I see Luke Skywalker as almost the perfect example of a 4e 1st level PC. Which makes a lot of sense when you consider that SW SAGA edition was one of the inspirations. Look at the number of stormtroopers and TIE fighters he blows away. Those are minions right there. And even Vader can't get a bead on him. Grr, curse those dailies and action points!1st level 4e PCs can easily be a kid straight off the farm (the 1e fighter title notwithstanding). Kobolds, goblins and particularly orcs are a serious threat. Put a 1st level party up against several orc encounters of equal numbers in the one day and they'll get their asses handed to them. Which probably makes 4e PCs weaker than in 1e.It's hard to say how good a 1st level PC is against a 'typical human' as the rules don't say what a typical human is. If human rabble (2nd level minion), as I suspect, then yes they are good. But if the typical tough guy in a bar is a human bandit (2nd level non-minion monster) or human berserker (4th) then 1st level PCs are small potatoes.</blockquote>