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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7954697" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>That's the point. Yes, an 18 CHA PC can say, "Your garden is lousy." to a King with far less risk of making a mortal enemy of the King than an 8 CHA PC, but as you say there is a limit to that.</p><p></p><p>The trouble is that the 18 CHA Player has a much clearer understanding of what the consequences of saying things to the King is likely to be. The 8 CHA player with a side order of say Asperger's Syndrome* tends to find themselves lost in a world of side effect social consequences and no real plan for navigating through the maze. So when the player has an 18 CHA character and insults the King's garden, perhaps he's more likely to get the gardener beheaded than himself, but was getting the gardener in trouble really the plan in the first place? Does it further the mission, or is the player now lost in the humor of having gotten the gardener in trouble and decides to start pushing his luck by insulting everything - including say the King's simple minded daughter that everyone in the court knows not to mention? And is he not at the least more likely to have gotten himself beheaded than the guy who said, "Lovely roses, your majesty", especially if the guy had successfully figured out that the King was proud of his roses and liked to be flattered? And let's face it, one legitimate interpretation of 18 CHA is that when someone with 18 CHA insults you, it stings. It hurts. It's humiliating. So, is the guy persuading the king or is he taunting them and calling them out? The trouble with players without a lot of charisma is that they don't tend to think about it in those terms. As in life, whatever comes to mind tends to come out of the mouth without having understood the consequences.</p><p></p><p>There is only so much filter you can use before you are playing the character for the player and taking away player agency.</p><p></p><p>"Introversion" usually is an overcomeable problem. Playing an RPG is probably the best therapy for shyness I'm aware of. (Yes, the scare quotes are deliberate, I do know the difference.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7954697, member: 4937"] That's the point. Yes, an 18 CHA PC can say, "Your garden is lousy." to a King with far less risk of making a mortal enemy of the King than an 8 CHA PC, but as you say there is a limit to that. The trouble is that the 18 CHA Player has a much clearer understanding of what the consequences of saying things to the King is likely to be. The 8 CHA player with a side order of say Asperger's Syndrome* tends to find themselves lost in a world of side effect social consequences and no real plan for navigating through the maze. So when the player has an 18 CHA character and insults the King's garden, perhaps he's more likely to get the gardener beheaded than himself, but was getting the gardener in trouble really the plan in the first place? Does it further the mission, or is the player now lost in the humor of having gotten the gardener in trouble and decides to start pushing his luck by insulting everything - including say the King's simple minded daughter that everyone in the court knows not to mention? And is he not at the least more likely to have gotten himself beheaded than the guy who said, "Lovely roses, your majesty", especially if the guy had successfully figured out that the King was proud of his roses and liked to be flattered? And let's face it, one legitimate interpretation of 18 CHA is that when someone with 18 CHA insults you, it stings. It hurts. It's humiliating. So, is the guy persuading the king or is he taunting them and calling them out? The trouble with players without a lot of charisma is that they don't tend to think about it in those terms. As in life, whatever comes to mind tends to come out of the mouth without having understood the consequences. There is only so much filter you can use before you are playing the character for the player and taking away player agency. "Introversion" usually is an overcomeable problem. Playing an RPG is probably the best therapy for shyness I'm aware of. (Yes, the scare quotes are deliberate, I do know the difference.) [/QUOTE]
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