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Message: <blockquote data-quote="happyhermit" data-source="post: 7956351" data-attributes="member: 6834463">Still not a joke, but if poking fun at my honest attempts to communicate is what you need in these times, fine. It's the least of my concerns right now."The point"? You seem to be going from one point to another, that certainly isn't the point that I was addressing.They aren't pointless for ttrpgs, the ideas go back to the 1800's at least, this is not a D&D thing. Many ttrpgs outside of D&D use more general rules, and often have less specific ones."Metagame" has several definitions, the one usually referred to when talking about ttrpgs is not the one you are using. The one most commonly referred to when talking about other tt games is not really what you are referring to either, as it usually refers to things that actually don't relate to the game being played directly. In social deduction games for instance, like The Resistance, trying to determine who the spy's are isn't considered "the metagame", it's the game. Whereas "metagame" refers to when one considers how they acted in past games, or outside of the game entirely. Like in Poker where the "metagame" is when you take in things you know about the player based on things outside of the game/hand being played. Or in a game with alliances like Cosmic Encounter it's the metagame when you choose to trust someone based on how they acted in past games.You can say that all those things are the metagame, even though that's not how it's usually used, and basically say that many games are 90% metagame, but I don't think it's helpful.Well, we aren't disagreeing by much here. What I was saying is that it doesn't neccesarily lead to it. I would almost agree with you on "usually", not long ago I definitely would have.</blockquote>

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