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<blockquote data-quote="OblivionDrive" data-source="post: 7897621" data-attributes="member: 7020101"><p>Except... it's not.</p><p></p><p>And you'll forgive the presumption since the tone and tenor of the same argument you've been making from thread to thread about this new book kinda says exactly the opposite.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And we're RIGHT BACK to that baseless strawman presumption that there is no overlap between "CR fans" and "longtime D&D customers" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>Here's a question for you - when do they get to stop being "flash-in-the-pan new customers" to you and become "regular customers?" You weren't born a grognard and neither was I. Everyone was new once.</p><p></p><p>In less than two months, CR will have been going for five years - it started airing March of 2015. To contrast, it has been going for almost the entire lifespan of 5e (July/August of 2014 to Current) and has been around LONGER than 4e was alive for (June 2008 to say, when they announced/started the D&D Next playtest - Jan/May 2012).</p><p></p><p>So when do newcomers get to be accepted by you and let through the gates? When have they sufficiently "earned" it, in your eyes? Five years isn't enough to not still be seen as flighty, wet-behind-the-ears kids chasing a fad?</p><p></p><p>This edition has been doing so well thanks in no small part to the influx of new blood from streamers. WotC has said as much and it's obvious to anyone keeping tabs on the hobby as a whole. Would you rather the hobby die by inches as the old guard slowly calcify and turn to stone while keeping that gate fast and firm against anyone they feel is undesirable?</p><p></p><p>Eff that - I'll take a dozen new players who came into the hobby via streaming shows over one tired old grognard yelling at people to get off his lawn. And when WotC finally gets around to reviving those old settings we want? It means we'll have thousands of fresh new eyes willing to try them out and bring new perspectives to old classics. Sounds like a win/win to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OblivionDrive, post: 7897621, member: 7020101"] Except... it's not. And you'll forgive the presumption since the tone and tenor of the same argument you've been making from thread to thread about this new book kinda says exactly the opposite. And we're RIGHT BACK to that baseless strawman presumption that there is no overlap between "CR fans" and "longtime D&D customers" :rolleyes: Here's a question for you - when do they get to stop being "flash-in-the-pan new customers" to you and become "regular customers?" You weren't born a grognard and neither was I. Everyone was new once. In less than two months, CR will have been going for five years - it started airing March of 2015. To contrast, it has been going for almost the entire lifespan of 5e (July/August of 2014 to Current) and has been around LONGER than 4e was alive for (June 2008 to say, when they announced/started the D&D Next playtest - Jan/May 2012). So when do newcomers get to be accepted by you and let through the gates? When have they sufficiently "earned" it, in your eyes? Five years isn't enough to not still be seen as flighty, wet-behind-the-ears kids chasing a fad? This edition has been doing so well thanks in no small part to the influx of new blood from streamers. WotC has said as much and it's obvious to anyone keeping tabs on the hobby as a whole. Would you rather the hobby die by inches as the old guard slowly calcify and turn to stone while keeping that gate fast and firm against anyone they feel is undesirable? Eff that - I'll take a dozen new players who came into the hobby via streaming shows over one tired old grognard yelling at people to get off his lawn. And when WotC finally gets around to reviving those old settings we want? It means we'll have thousands of fresh new eyes willing to try them out and bring new perspectives to old classics. Sounds like a win/win to me. [/QUOTE]
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