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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8247944" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>But as I just wrote, it isn't!</p><p></p><p>A grognard used to be a veteran wargamer - to other wargamers.</p><p></p><p>Then, it morphed again. With the "rise" of computers (we are still discussing the 70s here), computer wargamers thought those old "historic miniature" or AH wargamers were the grognards.</p><p></p><p>Then, it morphed again. The entirety of wargamers became the grognards- not the hip young TTRPGers. I can vividly tell you about the cultural and (more often than not) age divide between the grognard wargamers with their detailed maps clutching their miniatures, and us freeky-deeky yung 'uns with the power of imagination and our minds! </p><p></p><p>Of course, at some point it changed again- now, grognards are veteran TTRPGers, usually those who play earlier editions. To be honest, it's still weird to me to see it used to refer to TTRPGers! A bit of looking around shows that through the 90s, it was still used to refer to wargamers; but at some point in the early 2000s, it looks to have switched to referring primarily to old TTRPGers. </p><p></p><p>So it's really a moving target. And as more of us older players die off, and people begin to nostalgically talk about the good ol' days of 3e and grumble about 6e, then they will be the grognards.</p><p></p><p>Plus ca change.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8247944, member: 7023840"] But as I just wrote, it isn't! A grognard used to be a veteran wargamer - to other wargamers. Then, it morphed again. With the "rise" of computers (we are still discussing the 70s here), computer wargamers thought those old "historic miniature" or AH wargamers were the grognards. Then, it morphed again. The entirety of wargamers became the grognards- not the hip young TTRPGers. I can vividly tell you about the cultural and (more often than not) age divide between the grognard wargamers with their detailed maps clutching their miniatures, and us freeky-deeky yung 'uns with the power of imagination and our minds! Of course, at some point it changed again- now, grognards are veteran TTRPGers, usually those who play earlier editions. To be honest, it's still weird to me to see it used to refer to TTRPGers! A bit of looking around shows that through the 90s, it was still used to refer to wargamers; but at some point in the early 2000s, it looks to have switched to referring primarily to old TTRPGers. So it's really a moving target. And as more of us older players die off, and people begin to nostalgically talk about the good ol' days of 3e and grumble about 6e, then they will be the grognards. Plus ca change. [/QUOTE]
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