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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8254692" data-attributes="member: 15700">I feel ya.&nbsp; Same here.&nbsp; On both parts. Time is too short to keep subjecting yourself to some of those people.For the record, I very much do NOT think the OSR is bigoted or overall toxic, and I do not think fans of the OSR or TSR era D&amp;D are bigoted or sexist.&nbsp; However, what I've seen, and I totally admit this is anecdotal, is that the more &quot;woke&quot; WotC has become (the word they use), with the changes to be more inclusive and diverse, gamers who are apparently offended by inclusivity seem to have moved to the OSR groups because AD&amp;D was a product of its time and the art reflected the current target demographic of that time (young straight white males, mostly).&nbsp; So these OSR groups have had an increasingly amount of gamers who feel a move to diversity and inclusivity is bad for the game, join the group and bring their toxicity to it.And as you said, it just wore me down and I ended up leaving most of them anyway.&nbsp;&nbsp; Phrases like &quot;woke&quot;, &quot;SJW&quot;, and &quot;virtual signaling&quot; are big red flags to me when someone uses them.&nbsp; And when you start seeing them used more often by more people, it's just wearing.I also have a big problem with people who were there from the beginning, like Pauli Kidd, and Janelle Jacquays, feeling like they aren't welcome in the OSR because of these toxic people.&nbsp; And others like Tim Kask being criticized by &quot;fans&quot; of the OSR because of&nbsp; his outspoken beliefs on pro-diversity.&nbsp; I can't see how anyone can say with a straight face that they are fans of the OSR and old D&amp;D while driving away the people who helped create it in the first place.&nbsp; Then again, cognitive dissonance is a pretty powerful thing.&nbsp; But I digress.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8254692, member: 15700"] I feel ya. Same here. On both parts. Time is too short to keep subjecting yourself to some of those people. For the record, I very much do [I][B]NOT [/B][/I]think the OSR is bigoted or overall toxic, and I do not think fans of the OSR or TSR era D&D are bigoted or sexist. However, what I've seen, and I totally admit this is anecdotal, is that the more "woke" WotC has become (the word they use), with the changes to be more inclusive and diverse, gamers who are apparently offended by inclusivity seem to have moved to the OSR groups because AD&D was a product of its time and the art reflected the current target demographic of that time (young straight white males, mostly). So these OSR groups have had an increasingly amount of gamers who feel a move to diversity and inclusivity is bad for the game, join the group and bring their toxicity to it. And as you said, it just wore me down and I ended up leaving most of them anyway. Phrases like "woke", "SJW", and "virtual signaling" are big red flags to me when someone uses them. And when you start seeing them used more often by more people, it's just wearing. I also have a big problem with people who were there from the beginning, like Pauli Kidd, and Janelle Jacquays, feeling like they aren't welcome in the OSR because of these toxic people. And others like Tim Kask being criticized by "fans" of the OSR because of his outspoken beliefs on pro-diversity. I can't see how anyone can say with a straight face that they are fans of the OSR and old D&D while driving away the people who helped create it in the first place. Then again, cognitive dissonance is a pretty powerful thing. But I digress. [/QUOTE]

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