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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8396177" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p><em>YOU </em>were the one to start your discussion edition warring, and making false claims to do so, not me. This isn't a matter of opinion or telling you what you think, this is you making demonstratedly false claims (like saying you read 10 pages and no one listed the parts of the system they liked, when clearly that isn't true). If someone pointing out to you that the basis of your argument used to disparage other systems is objectively wrong, and you take that as a personal attack or disrespect, that speaks more of you than me. You're welcome to your opinions, and I couldn't care less about them. But you are not entitled to treating your opinions as fact, especially when they have been proven to be otherwise. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll repeat what I said above, because it seems you've missed it even though you quoted it <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /> :</p><p>"I mean, sure they were optional in so far as any rule is optional, but to say they were optional while inferring that modern rules for skill checks aren't is disingenuous."</p><p></p><p>You made disparaging attacks on other editions based on false claims. Me pointing those out to you isn't an attack. It's simply calling out double standards when making an argument to attack other editions. You make a comment about modern editions and WoTC forcing RAW when that's only in AL (which is the same as AD&D did with the RPGA), and then make a citation like this above to infer all rules in AD&D were optional while ignoring how the DMG in 5e says <em>the same thing</em>. Those are double standards I'm referring to. If you don't want those pointed out, then don't make them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 8396177, member: 15700"] [I]YOU [/I]were the one to start your discussion edition warring, and making false claims to do so, not me. This isn't a matter of opinion or telling you what you think, this is you making demonstratedly false claims (like saying you read 10 pages and no one listed the parts of the system they liked, when clearly that isn't true). If someone pointing out to you that the basis of your argument used to disparage other systems is objectively wrong, and you take that as a personal attack or disrespect, that speaks more of you than me. You're welcome to your opinions, and I couldn't care less about them. But you are not entitled to treating your opinions as fact, especially when they have been proven to be otherwise. I'll repeat what I said above, because it seems you've missed it even though you quoted it 🤷♂️ : "I mean, sure they were optional in so far as any rule is optional, but to say they were optional while inferring that modern rules for skill checks aren't is disingenuous." You made disparaging attacks on other editions based on false claims. Me pointing those out to you isn't an attack. It's simply calling out double standards when making an argument to attack other editions. You make a comment about modern editions and WoTC forcing RAW when that's only in AL (which is the same as AD&D did with the RPGA), and then make a citation like this above to infer all rules in AD&D were optional while ignoring how the DMG in 5e says [I]the same thing[/I]. Those are double standards I'm referring to. If you don't want those pointed out, then don't make them. [/QUOTE]
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