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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 8396224" data-attributes="member: 15700">Again...You made the claim that WoTC is pushing RAW, when back in the day all those rules were optional in 1e.  And 1e was great because of all that "white space."  That was the core argument you were making in several posts.  Let's break this down:White space claim: Not true.  There were more rules in 1e DMG than in 5e.  Heck, the 1e DMG has over 300,000 words compared to 5e's 80,000.  That doesn't mean there are more than 3x as many rules because you can't compare word for word, but it is a pretty good indicator, especially when you look at the actual content of those books, that 1e had significantly more rules for things.  This isn't my opinion or your opinion.  These are things we can verify by looking at the books.That alone makes your claim dubious. But where it really goes off the rails is when you claim that all those rules in 1e are optional based on that one line despite 2 pages of warning against changing the rules right before it, but don't consider 5e rules optional when it says the same thing about being optional and doesn't have 2 pages of warnings telling you to adhere to the rules or it's dangerous.Is that clear enough?So I stand by my original post.  You went on a diatribe against modern editions using false assumptions and speculation, showing a lack of understanding about both 1e and modern editions.  Old men shouting at clouds to take a dig at modern editions laying on your lawn.Edit I don't know why you keep name dropping him, or have to show a book with your names in it.  No one is asking for that.  And quite frankly, it doesn't matter.  What matters is what appears in the actual books because that's what gamers had in front of them.  That's how the masses were told to play.  You could have been Gary's personal pool boy and that wouldn't change how your claims are factually incorrect.   If it did matter, Rob (who grew up with Gary and presumably has a better knowledge of who he was than you), agrees with me in how the book was presented to be played.</blockquote>

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