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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8396310" data-attributes="member: 93670">That bolded bit misses the problem even though you mentioned it in the underlined bit.&nbsp; As a DM in past editions you had more flexibility &amp; dials you could crank, not so in 5e.&nbsp;&nbsp; take the 3.5 MM where you had a cr5 mummy &amp; cr15 mummy lord along with cr4 allip xr9 bodak cd12 devourer cr2 ghost cr2 lacedon cr4 ghast&nbsp; cr almost anything lich template cr 14 mohrg cr3 shadow cr9 greater shadow cr7 specter cr almost anything vampire template cr4 vampire spawn cr4 wight cr5 wraith cr16 dread wraith nine different CRs of zombie ranging from cr1/2 to cr6 nine different CRs of skeleton ranging from cr1/3 to cr8.. etc Some of those were templates that could be applied to any creature while the others could get a template to shift them thematically &amp; have a challenge that fits where you want it while being called a mummy with whatever flavoring refluff that suits. &quot;No&nbsp; I'm sure I can just do it because any undead can be turned by any cleric nerf me with gm fiat if you don't like it&quot; is a serious negative not an improvement. Players are almost never going to be unhappy to find that something works better like having turning buffed to work on any undead no matter how long the list of cool boons you give... the same is not true of nerfs</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8396310, member: 93670"] That bolded bit misses the problem even though you mentioned it in the underlined bit. As a DM in past editions you had more flexibility & dials you could crank, not so in 5e. take the 3.5 MM where you had a cr5 mummy & cr15 mummy lord along with cr4 allip xr9 bodak cd12 devourer cr2 ghost cr2 lacedon cr4 ghast cr almost anything lich template cr 14 mohrg cr3 shadow cr9 greater shadow cr7 specter cr almost anything vampire template cr4 vampire spawn cr4 wight cr5 wraith cr16 dread wraith nine different CRs of zombie ranging from cr1/2 to cr6 nine different CRs of skeleton ranging from cr1/3 to cr8.. etc Some of those were templates that could be applied to any creature while the others could get a template to shift them thematically & have a challenge that fits where you want it while being called a mummy with whatever flavoring refluff that suits. "No I'm sure I can just do it because [I]any[/I] undead can be turned by [I]any[/I] cleric nerf me with gm fiat if you don't like it" is a serious negative [B]not[/B] an improvement. Players are almost never going to be unhappy to find that something works better like having turning buffed to work on any undead no matter how long the list of cool boons you give... the same is not true of nerfs [/QUOTE]

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