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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4924001" data-attributes="member: 2067">Why? I mean, why do certain fans (of any edition) take it like a personal slight when people have problems with the edition? If I say 4e is too homogeneous (implied "for me, in my experience, relative to other stuff I've played and the ways I've played that other stuff"), that's nothing against 4e fans. As someone who does enjoy his 4e games, I don't feel like I'm insulting myself by pointing out areas where 4e struggles. I feel like I'm exposing weaknesses to make a better game. If the Coasties don't hear it, it doesn't matter, because it helps me to make my game a better game by finding areas where players aren't having a tremendous amount of fun and letting them have more fun. Now, if I say "4e is great if you're a mental midget with all the creativity of an ironing board who likes getting spoon-fed gruel and being told it's duck l'orange" that IS a slight against 4e fans, and I'm wrong to say that.Just like saying "Anyone who has a problem with 4e is obviously concealing their true hatred of change!" is wrong. I'm of a mind that discussions of substance cannot occur unless there's a problem to be solved. If someone makes a new 4e class, for instance, the implication is that 4e has a flaw in that it didn't already have the class (and maybe it's just a flaw for the person who made the class). If people weren't "complaining" (which is a pretty derogatory way to put it), then there would be no discussion of any relevance. Post after post of "I LOVE 4E AND IT IS BETTER THAN SEX" is not a discussion, it's just a dogma, a mantra. If people weren't complaining, it would also be because nobody cared, which would be a dang tragedy for the game as a whole.No, people try to correct problems with things they care about, and want to see get better. Problems always exist -- no edition is perfection -- so there are always things to work on, discuss, and maybe fix. I'm a pretty regular poster here at ENWorld, and I haven't seen an invalid 4e claim in months, if not years (same thing with invalid 3e claims). The edition wars here aren't really fiery anymore -- simmering flames with people picking up the games they like and going off to play and discuss them. To come in 5 pages into a constructive thread and spew venom about how everyone who is a critic is ignorant and mean-spirited, is, well, ignorant and mean-spirited. Anyone who reacts like that is at best jumping at shadows, at worst, trolling.</blockquote>

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