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<blockquote data-quote="DrunkonDuty" data-source="post: 5048089" data-attributes="member: 54364"><p>Ah, I missed that. Sorry.</p><p>As to an antonym for Miracle I would have to go with Mundanity. A miracle is something that breaches the laws of nature by special act of God (who is, in the Judeao/ Christo/ Islamic religious model, considered apart from and unknowable by His creation.) It cannot be replicated or even explained by any agency short of God. Moral quality not required because a miracle does not have a moral quality. Now, one may suggest that because God is All Good that His Acts are too. But I would counter that an action is not it's motive. The mundane is that which is part of the normal course of the world. It can be understood and (theoretically) even controlled. Hence magic and then science.</p><p>Nor are miracles, per se, unrepeatable. If God wanted to part the Red Sea again, he could. Er, sorry, He could. Just that it requires the divinity to do the same trick again. Something divinities seem loathe to do. I suspect this is because for miracles to have maximum PR impact they need to be new and never before seen. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (Aside: But didn't it rain mana in the desert many times for the wandering Israelites? That's a repeating a miracle if I've remembered it correctly.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/ponder.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":hmm:" title="Hmmm :hmm:" data-shortname=":hmm:" />)</p><p>So I guess I'm saying that the definitive aspect of a miracle is it is an act of God. As opposed to the definitive aspect of magic which is an act of Humanity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrunkonDuty, post: 5048089, member: 54364"] Ah, I missed that. Sorry. As to an antonym for Miracle I would have to go with Mundanity. A miracle is something that breaches the laws of nature by special act of God (who is, in the Judeao/ Christo/ Islamic religious model, considered apart from and unknowable by His creation.) It cannot be replicated or even explained by any agency short of God. Moral quality not required because a miracle does not have a moral quality. Now, one may suggest that because God is All Good that His Acts are too. But I would counter that an action is not it's motive. The mundane is that which is part of the normal course of the world. It can be understood and (theoretically) even controlled. Hence magic and then science. Nor are miracles, per se, unrepeatable. If God wanted to part the Red Sea again, he could. Er, sorry, He could. Just that it requires the divinity to do the same trick again. Something divinities seem loathe to do. I suspect this is because for miracles to have maximum PR impact they need to be new and never before seen. ;) (Aside: But didn't it rain mana in the desert many times for the wandering Israelites? That's a repeating a miracle if I've remembered it correctly.:hmm:) So I guess I'm saying that the definitive aspect of a miracle is it is an act of God. As opposed to the definitive aspect of magic which is an act of Humanity. [/QUOTE]
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