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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8253421" data-attributes="member: 18">Yup it's absolutely no wonder people started going with more &quot;creative&quot; generation methods and so on when you saw stuff like that. By 2E we'd got to the point where PCs were seemingly meant to be in the same general league as heroes in the various (then hugely popular) FR books and so on, and when you saw their stats they were eye-popping, and NPCs who got full stat blocks tended to look like pretty high-rollers.I can believe that.5E is heavier than old editions in terms of rules that apply to all PCs and if the players are playing smart the groups will be extremely well-rounded skill-wise and pretty damn hard to kill unless they make no effort to live (esp. with larger groups), but at lower levels it shouldn't be too different. How high have you gone with it? It feels like in the mid and high levels the proliferation of abilities, the fact that casters have more/better spells/day and so on might make an impact - it doesn't bog down like 3.XE and 4E did though, I've played as high as 15-ish in 5E, but that wasn't really troupe-style.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8253421, member: 18"] Yup it's absolutely no wonder people started going with more "creative" generation methods and so on when you saw stuff like that. By 2E we'd got to the point where PCs were seemingly meant to be in the same general league as heroes in the various (then hugely popular) FR books and so on, and when you saw their stats they were eye-popping, and NPCs who got full stat blocks tended to look like pretty high-rollers. I can believe that. 5E is heavier than old editions in terms of rules that apply to all PCs and if the players are playing smart the groups will be extremely well-rounded skill-wise and pretty damn hard to kill unless they make no effort to live (esp. with larger groups), but at lower levels it shouldn't be too different. How high have you gone with it? It feels like in the mid and high levels the proliferation of abilities, the fact that casters have more/better spells/day and so on might make an impact - it doesn't bog down like 3.XE and 4E did though, I've played as high as 15-ish in 5E, but that wasn't really troupe-style. [/QUOTE]

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