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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8471586" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Agree, but as I alluded to, I think that the issues are so much more fraught with paid actors than with TTRPGs. I was going to write more on this, but it was already getting way too long (as my posts tend to do).</p><p></p><p>For example- I think Redmayne was correct in what he said.* I also think that he likely felt it was even more necessary for him to say something given his starring role in a certain franchise, and statements made by that franchise's creator.</p><p></p><p>...but, the issues are so incredibly different. It's the vanilla ice cream problem. People have gotten so used to vanilla ice cream being used in everything, that they just assume it's the default- that you add other flavors to "basic" or "neutral" vanilla ice cream, that you make ice cream treats (like sundaes or banana splits) with vanilla ice cream, because that's the default. Vanilla ice cream can do anything! Except ... vanilla is a flavor. It can't do anything. Sweet "flavorless" ice cream is <em>sweet cream ice cream</em>, not vanilla. And paid acting, for so many years, has been like that - sure, you could get someone "ethnic" to play an idealistic Mexican police officer, or you could just get some vanilla ice cream... um, Charlton Heston.</p><p></p><p>That's the legacy- that's the issue. That's the problem with representation, with appropriation ... sometimes, just the issue of basic economic fairness and jobs that needs to be understood.**</p><p></p><p>But the issues involved with Redmayne taking a role as a transgender person are not the same as someone at a table roleplaying, say, a gender-fluid elf.** Obviously, that could be roleplayed in a disrespectful or hurtful manner, but the mere fact of doing so, or exploring this- well, that is the very essence of roleplaying and assuming alter egos.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>*Well, of course he was, in the sense of <em>duh, this is what I feel</em>. But I also think he was correct on the larger issue.</p><p></p><p>**EDIT- I should add here that I hope this isn't a controversial statement. I don't know that there are always correct answers to representation when it comes to even <em>paid acting</em>, but I do think that most people recognize that the issues are more fraught, simply because of the differences in history, in economic value, and in the fact that many of the performances are consumed and internalized by million or billions of people over time.</p><p></p><p>***I mean, other than playing an elf. C'mon! That's the real issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8471586, member: 7023840"] Agree, but as I alluded to, I think that the issues are so much more fraught with paid actors than with TTRPGs. I was going to write more on this, but it was already getting way too long (as my posts tend to do). For example- I think Redmayne was correct in what he said.* I also think that he likely felt it was even more necessary for him to say something given his starring role in a certain franchise, and statements made by that franchise's creator. ...but, the issues are so incredibly different. It's the vanilla ice cream problem. People have gotten so used to vanilla ice cream being used in everything, that they just assume it's the default- that you add other flavors to "basic" or "neutral" vanilla ice cream, that you make ice cream treats (like sundaes or banana splits) with vanilla ice cream, because that's the default. Vanilla ice cream can do anything! Except ... vanilla is a flavor. It can't do anything. Sweet "flavorless" ice cream is [I]sweet cream ice cream[/I], not vanilla. And paid acting, for so many years, has been like that - sure, you could get someone "ethnic" to play an idealistic Mexican police officer, or you could just get some vanilla ice cream... um, Charlton Heston. That's the legacy- that's the issue. That's the problem with representation, with appropriation ... sometimes, just the issue of basic economic fairness and jobs that needs to be understood.** But the issues involved with Redmayne taking a role as a transgender person are not the same as someone at a table roleplaying, say, a gender-fluid elf.** Obviously, that could be roleplayed in a disrespectful or hurtful manner, but the mere fact of doing so, or exploring this- well, that is the very essence of roleplaying and assuming alter egos. *Well, of course he was, in the sense of [I]duh, this is what I feel[/I]. But I also think he was correct on the larger issue. **EDIT- I should add here that I hope this isn't a controversial statement. I don't know that there are always correct answers to representation when it comes to even [I]paid acting[/I], but I do think that most people recognize that the issues are more fraught, simply because of the differences in history, in economic value, and in the fact that many of the performances are consumed and internalized by million or billions of people over time. ***I mean, other than playing an elf. C'mon! That's the real issue. [/QUOTE]
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