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<blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7502109" data-attributes="member: 6880599">This was relevant to me because we did a one-shot level 20 game and I actually Had a fighter with Spellguard Shield, Ring of Protection, and Cloak of Protection so I thought... Hay I will go with wisdom and see how this plays out... We fought an ancient dragon and a number of homebrew caster &quot;actolytes&quot; with Chain lighting... I very quickly realized I missed the Shield Master feat I was planning on taking. So while I am sure this is not the normal I actually think the threat of Dexterity saves is real at high level because of the love of dragons and specific spells a &quot;standard gm fall backs&quot; in a pinch. If your GM doesn't have a lot of time to plan a short notice game like say for a Typhoon hitting Japan trapping you and your friends inside... then your more likely to see those lower level dex save spells and abilities because you use what you already know when in a hurry. That one wisdom save I actually had to make for Frightening presence I failed anyway on the first turn... directly fallowed by a dragon breath which made me want the dex save again. (I did not go pure fighter though, I was a sorcerer hybrid ShadowBlade at lvl5 + booming blade + quickenspell, so perhaps as full fighter I would have used the ASI and taken both Resilient and Shield Master)... It was a one shot &quot;can you survive and kill a god?&quot; ... kind of thing... stupid typhoon killed the GMs power though so I guess we will never know....</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ClaytonCross, post: 7502109, member: 6880599"] This was relevant to me because we did a one-shot level 20 game and I actually Had a fighter with Spellguard Shield, Ring of Protection, and Cloak of Protection so I thought... Hay I will go with wisdom and see how this plays out... We fought an ancient dragon and a number of homebrew caster "actolytes" with Chain lighting... I very quickly realized I missed the Shield Master feat I was planning on taking. So while I am sure this is not the normal I actually think the threat of Dexterity saves is real at high level because of the love of dragons and specific spells a "standard gm fall backs" in a pinch. If your GM doesn't have a lot of time to plan a short notice game like say for a Typhoon hitting Japan trapping you and your friends inside... then your more likely to see those lower level dex save spells and abilities because you use what you already know when in a hurry. That one wisdom save I actually had to make for Frightening presence I failed anyway on the first turn... directly fallowed by a dragon breath which made me want the dex save again. (I did not go pure fighter though, I was a sorcerer hybrid ShadowBlade at lvl5 + booming blade + quickenspell, so perhaps as full fighter I would have used the ASI and taken both Resilient and Shield Master) ... It was a one shot "can you survive and kill a god?" ... kind of thing... stupid typhoon killed the GMs power though so I guess we will never know.... [/QUOTE]

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