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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8673202" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, sure, reasonable is it?&nbsp; &quot;We want simulation in the game&quot;&quot;Ok, how would you define simulation?&quot;&quot;Well, simulation is the stuff I like and anything I don't like isn't simulation.&quot;<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm&nbsp; &nbsp; :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" />And then we have the lovely &quot;Git off ma lawn&quot; brigade:Older style?&nbsp; This isn't older vs newer gamers.&nbsp; It's a group of gamers who have suddenly discovered that no one actually cares about the things they thought were really, REALLY important to the game.&nbsp; Encumbrance?&nbsp; No one ever cared about encumbrance.&nbsp; You can see article after Dragon article going all the way back the 70's talking about how these sorts of things really aren't all that important and no one really uses them.&nbsp; So on and so forth.But, now it suddenly anime new players?&nbsp; Good grief, anime is OLDER than most of you.&nbsp; I watched Akira in 1988.&nbsp; And that was hardly the first anime I ever saw.&nbsp; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a popular game in the 80's.&nbsp; Anime is older than most editions of D&amp;D.&nbsp; How is this possibly a &quot;new&quot; thing.&nbsp; FFS, Final Fantasy came out in 1987.&nbsp; Can we please, for the love of little fishies stop pretending that this stuff is somehow new?&nbsp; These aren't &quot;older styles&quot;.&nbsp; They're just different styles.&nbsp; And they're styles that were never really very popular.&nbsp; I know they were never really popular because D&amp;D never bothered actually catering to them.&nbsp; At best, they largely stayed silent on the issue and let groups play whatever they wanted to play.&nbsp; Which is exactly how it works now.&nbsp; Simulation is just the latest buzz word for badwrongfun.&nbsp; It's like Video-gamey or Samey or any of the hundred other easy shorthand words people want to trot out to try to justify ramming their preferences down every one else's throats.Hey, you don't like the direction of D&amp;D at the moment?&nbsp; Ok, fair enough.&nbsp; Howzabout either engaging in some positivity and find a game that does cater to your preferences instead of taking a big steaming dump on everyone else's fun EVERY FREAKING WEEK.&nbsp; We've been bashing this &quot;simulation drum for a couple of months now and I'm the one that's the problem?&nbsp; Top billing of the forum every day for the past two or three months has been thinly veiled edition warring disguised as &quot;friendly&quot; conversation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8673202, member: 22779"] Oh, sure, reasonable is it? "We want simulation in the game" "Ok, how would you define simulation?" "Well, simulation is the stuff I like and anything I don't like isn't simulation." :erm: And then we have the lovely "Git off ma lawn" brigade: Older style? This isn't older vs newer gamers. It's a group of gamers who have suddenly discovered that no one actually cares about the things they thought were really, REALLY important to the game. Encumbrance? No one ever cared about encumbrance. You can see article after Dragon article going all the way back the 70's talking about how these sorts of things really aren't all that important and no one really uses them. So on and so forth. But, now it suddenly anime new players? Good grief, anime is OLDER than most of you. I watched Akira in 1988. And that was hardly the first anime I ever saw. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was a popular game in the 80's. Anime is older than most editions of D&D. How is this possibly a "new" thing. FFS, Final Fantasy came out in 1987. Can we please, for the love of little fishies stop pretending that this stuff is somehow new? These aren't "older styles". They're just different styles. And they're styles that were never really very popular. I know they were never really popular because D&D never bothered actually catering to them. At best, they largely stayed silent on the issue and let groups play whatever they wanted to play. Which is exactly how it works now. Simulation is just the latest buzz word for badwrongfun. It's like Video-gamey or Samey or any of the hundred other easy shorthand words people want to trot out to try to justify ramming their preferences down every one else's throats. Hey, you don't like the direction of D&D at the moment? Ok, fair enough. Howzabout either engaging in some positivity and find a game that does cater to your preferences instead of taking a big steaming dump on everyone else's fun EVERY FREAKING WEEK. We've been bashing this "simulation drum for a couple of months now and [I]I'm[/I] the one that's the problem? Top billing of the forum every day for the past two or three months has been thinly veiled edition warring disguised as "friendly" conversation. [/QUOTE]

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