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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8674016" data-attributes="member: 82106">This is just basic system design. So, in HoML armor actually acts as a damage absorber (this does away with 4e's AC defense, which has various benefits). It works, BUT its a 'knife edge' design. So, with damage outputs for the low levels being in the range of, say 5-12 points, a single point of DR is moderately significant, but 3 or 4 points is BIG. It will pretty much wipe out a lot of the typical 4e 'incidental' damage values, and render anything that does small amounts of damage over time pretty much worthless. Even 1 point has a significant impact there. So, you really CANNOT have a very big range of values for DR. If higher values are factored into the game, then a PC with low or no DR will be hosed. Any unusually high value above what is anticipated would equally cause many problems. The upshot of this is, the entirety of range of all possible armors has to fit into a 5 or so point range, and you better put some downsides on the top end of that range, because its going to be VERY tempting for characters otherwise! Being deprived of your armor is also QUITE nasty! Honestly, since I've mostly only got a chance to really run much at low levels in my game I am not entirely sure what the best scaling there is either. I don't feel like it should be all that steep! OTOH it could be a way to distinguish different tiers without as much need for things like increased hit points, though increased damage would certainly be required! (IE if say the 2nd tier, Legendary in HoML, was based on 10 to 20 DR, then you'd definitely need most damage expressions to reasonably dish out up to 20+ damage a good bit of the time).Anyway, in a 4e-like engine Armor as DR does work, to at least some fair degree.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8674016, member: 82106"] This is just basic system design. So, in HoML armor actually acts as a damage absorber (this does away with 4e's AC defense, which has various benefits). It works, BUT its a 'knife edge' design. So, with damage outputs for the low levels being in the range of, say 5-12 points, a single point of DR is moderately significant, but 3 or 4 points is BIG. It will pretty much wipe out a lot of the typical 4e 'incidental' damage values, and render anything that does small amounts of damage over time pretty much worthless. Even 1 point has a significant impact there. So, you really CANNOT have a very big range of values for DR. If higher values are factored into the game, then a PC with low or no DR will be hosed. Any unusually high value above what is anticipated would equally cause many problems. The upshot of this is, the entirety of range of all possible armors has to fit into a 5 or so point range, and you better put some downsides on the top end of that range, because its going to be VERY tempting for characters otherwise! Being deprived of your armor is also QUITE nasty! Honestly, since I've mostly only got a chance to really run much at low levels in my game I am not entirely sure what the best scaling there is either. I don't feel like it should be all that steep! OTOH it could be a way to distinguish different tiers without as much need for things like increased hit points, though increased damage would certainly be required! (IE if say the 2nd tier, Legendary in HoML, was based on 10 to 20 DR, then you'd definitely need most damage expressions to reasonably dish out up to 20+ damage a good bit of the time). Anyway, in a 4e-like engine Armor as DR does work, to at least some fair degree. [/QUOTE]

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