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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8674038" data-attributes="member: 82106">I think it is VERY VERY plain from both description and detailed rules elements that a dragon is intended to, and DOES greatly exceed the might of an elephant in 5e D&D! The stat block for Elephant doesn't even fall into the main part of the monster assortment, it is found in a sort of 'afterthought' section for natural creatures. Its a reasonably tough creature with AC 12 and 76 hit points, rated at CR4. Honestly it can dish out some fairly nasty damage and seems like a fairly honest attempt to realistically portray a large and potentially violent animal that has some decent natural weaponry. Even so, it is easy to hit and should be fairly simple to dispatch using correct tactics. If it charges out of the bush at you, well, it might kinda hurt, though higher level PCs will still prevail of course. Interestingly the allosaurus is considerably weaker than the elephant! T-Rex OTOH is a good bit tougher.An adult 5e Red Dragon is CR17, so it is in an ENTIRELY different league! It has over 3x more hit points than an elephant, is larger, has 7 more points of AC, legendary resistance, advanced senses, intelligence, and a laundry list of special abilities (not even counting things like spell casting) legendary actions, lair actions, etc. Even 20th level PCs will need to tread carefully around this beast! It could literally kill and eat an elephant with one attack routine.So, it isn't [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER] who is responsible for the portrayal of dragons, D&D has ALWAYS stated them up as very tough higher level monsters. You better be an incredible bad-ass to take one of these things on, and it is doubtful that a single PC, even the very strongest ones in the game, will want to tangle with an ADULT red dragon. For a PC to tangle with an ANCIENT red dragon would be total suicide. So, actually, if you can beat one, you are very very definitely far outside any natural ability that humans can attain, the adult could probably kill even 1000's of heavily armed normal humans! (they might be able to reach a temporary stand-off under ideal tactical conditions). Still, that 20th level fighter will at least give one a very good run for its money.</blockquote>

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