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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8674854" data-attributes="member: 22779">See, this is where I just can't wrap my head around it.&nbsp; If all the details are just &quot;filled in&quot;, that's not a simulation.&nbsp; Like you said, you have no idea how that target became prone.&nbsp; It's no different from my climb the hill example.&nbsp; It's 100% black box and the mechanics in no way actually tell you anything about what happens in that black box - only the results.Which means that it's not simulating anything.&nbsp; The results are plausible and the table fills in the gaps to make it more plausible to that table, but, again, that isn't a simulation.&nbsp; It shouldn't matter what table you run a simulation at, if the initial parameters are the same, then once you start the simulation, you should get the same (or at least very close to the same) results.&nbsp; If I put the car in the wind tunnel, it shouldn't change how the air flows whether I'm standing there watching it or you are.To me, this:[ATTACH=full]252002[/ATTACH]Initial Point (known to everyone) --------&gt; Engage mechanics (all points are unknowable) ========&gt; Final Result (dictated by the mechanics and the points between the initial point and here are back filled by the participants)Is not in any way, shape or form a simulation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8674854, member: 22779"] See, this is where I just can't wrap my head around it. If all the details are just "filled in", that's not a simulation. Like you said, you have no idea how that target became prone. It's no different from my climb the hill example. It's 100% black box and the mechanics in no way actually tell you anything about what happens in that black box - only the results. Which means that it's not simulating anything. The results are plausible and the table fills in the gaps to make it more plausible to that table, but, again, that isn't a simulation. It shouldn't matter what table you run a simulation at, if the initial parameters are the same, then once you start the simulation, you should get the same (or at least very close to the same) results. If I put the car in the wind tunnel, it shouldn't change how the air flows whether I'm standing there watching it or you are. To me, this: [ATTACH type="full"]252002[/ATTACH] Initial Point (known to everyone) --------> Engage mechanics (all points are unknowable) ========> Final Result (dictated by the mechanics and the points between the initial point and here are back filled by the participants) Is not in any way, shape or form a simulation. [/QUOTE]

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