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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8675372" data-attributes="member: 6696971">This is the D&amp;D arc of Dragons starting with Smaug from LotR who, so far as I know is the inspiration for D&amp;D Ancient Red Wyrms:LotR Smaug = KaijuEarly/mid 1e + B/E/C sets + RC = Adult Dragons limitLate 1e (FR Greybox) adds Venerable and Great Wyrms with significantly increased size and HD and HP per level and powers = KaijuM/I Set = Dragon Rulers and The Great Dragon.&nbsp; Kaiju w/ almost 3 x prior HD and massively increased movement rate of B/E/C DragonsAD&amp;D 2e = APEX Kaiju.&nbsp; This is the omega of giant Dragons.&nbsp; Laughably massive.3.x = Kaiju (I gave their dimensions upthread).4e = Kaiju (I gave their dimensions upthread).5e = Who the eff knows but with the artwork and FR scaling for Klauth that clearly shows Kaiju is in play.&nbsp; Of note, D&amp;D 4e Ancient Wyrms were also Gargantuan on the battlegrid (just like 5e) and I gave their dimensions as per the 4e Draconomicon above.&nbsp; Again:Wingspan: 100 ft (31 m)Length (head to the tail): 88 ft (27 m)Height (ground to top of shoulder): 18 ft (6 m)Weight: 165000 lbs (83 tons).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8675372, member: 6696971"] This is the D&D arc of Dragons starting with Smaug from LotR who, so far as I know is the inspiration for D&D Ancient Red Wyrms: LotR Smaug = [B]Kaiju[/B] Early/mid 1e + B/E/C sets + RC = [B]Adult Dragons limit[/B] Late 1e (FR Greybox) adds Venerable and Great Wyrms with significantly increased size and HD and HP per level and powers = [B]Kaiju[/B] M/I Set = Dragon Rulers and The Great Dragon. [B]Kaiju [/B]w/ almost 3 x prior HD and massively increased movement rate of B/E/C Dragons AD&D 2e = APEX [B]Kaiju[/B]. This is the omega of giant Dragons. Laughably massive. 3.x = [B]Kaiju [/B](I gave their dimensions upthread). 4e = [B]Kaiju [/B](I gave their dimensions upthread). 5e = [B]Who the eff knows but[/B] with the artwork and F[B]R scaling for Klauth that clearly shows Kaiju is in play[/B]. Of note, [B]D&D 4e Ancient Wyrms were also Gargantuan on the battlegrid ([I]just like 5e[/I]) and I gave their dimensions as per the 4e Draconomicon above. Again: [/B] Wingspan:[B] 100 ft (31 m)[/B] Length (head to the tail):[B] 88 ft (27 m)[/B] Height (ground to top of shoulder):[B] 18 ft (6 m)[/B] Weight:[B] 165000 lbs (83 tons).[/B] [/QUOTE]

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