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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8675711" data-attributes="member: 82106">What he's done is he's translated your argument that BASED ON FICTION and translated it into mechanics, so he's saying "its bullcrud because an ordinary guy in armor kills the dragons in the D&D game." Its a CIRCULAR ARGUMENT! You OTOH are saying "see, here, look at the depiction of this dragon, its 100' long, and weighs 80 tons and its a magical flying super tank!" and then you look at RoS and you see THAT depiction. The guy you are arguing with, OTOH is looking at last nights session where the fighter killed a dragon and saying "its not the same thing!" So, look guys, the argument is that if you read the depiction of the dragon in ANY MM it is a gargantuan beast of >10 tons in weight that couldn't possibly be harmed by anything approaching a normal human! The dragon would just push past the fighter like he wasn't even there, stomping him pancake flat if he didn't scram, gulp down the magic user in a single gulp, and then burn the place down to make sure he got the thief and the cleric! lol. Even a 1e dragon realistically fits into this description (and to be honest you could run the 1e fight exactly like above since it actually has rather few hard and fast rules, though the foot stomp part doing 50+ damage might be a bit outside how you'd expect the rules to work, conventionally). THAT version of the dragon might be as small as 20' long and ONLY 10 tons!</blockquote>

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