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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 8273796" data-attributes="member: 97077">The OP would love the Rage Against the Giants campaign I'm in where we all had to take at least 1 level of bard. It's exactly as silly as everyone expected it would be.I've always looked at D&amp;D as a skilled play game. I don't find this to be incompatible with &quot;roleplaying&quot; since you're just playing the role of an adventurer, determining how the character acts and thinks. I just do not expect players who are interested in success for their characters to play in a way that makes it harder to do that (e.g. pretend not to know the troll is harmed by fire). This is counterintuitive play in my view. They can play it that way, if they want, but I would never demand it as a DM or a fellow player. It doesn't make sense to me to have that expectation when playing a game.What I can do as DM is to change things from time to time and tell players that I'm doing that. This creates an incentive to verify their assumptions before they act on them. They might or they might not - as above, they can play how they want - but at least they've been warned so that when it turns out the troll is actually healed by fire, they have only themselves to blame.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 8273796, member: 97077"] The OP would love the Rage Against the Giants campaign I'm in where we all had to take at least 1 level of bard. It's exactly as silly as everyone expected it would be. I've always looked at D&D as a skilled play game. I don't find this to be incompatible with "roleplaying" since you're just playing the role of an adventurer, determining how the character acts and thinks. I just do not expect players who are interested in success for their characters to play in a way that makes it harder to do that (e.g. pretend not to know the troll is harmed by fire). This is counterintuitive play in my view. They can play it that way, if they want, but I would never demand it as a DM or a fellow player. It doesn't make sense to me to have that expectation when playing a game. What I can do as DM is to change things from time to time and tell players that I'm doing that. This creates an incentive to verify their assumptions before they act on them. They might or they might not - as above, they can play how they want - but at least they've been warned so that when it turns out the troll is actually [I]healed [/I]by fire, they have only themselves to blame. [/QUOTE]

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