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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fenris-77" data-source="post: 8276999" data-attributes="member: 6993955">[USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER]  - I used that example simply to illustrate how sometimes a crunchier game game can take an action and complicate its deployment. The same sequence of events would equally apply to even basic search roles. In BX, for example, you declare and the DM adjudicates (basic searches, not traps) but there's no mechanic involved. Once you have a skill involved then that's (often, or usually) what the GM will use to adjudicate. So even if you search the dresser for the letter, you only find it if you make the roll (depending on the GM, of course). I'm also not trying to claim that crunch obviates skilled play, I don't think that's true. What crunch can do is obfuscate skilled play, at least in some circumstances.</blockquote>