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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8279636" data-attributes="member: 71699">I feel there are exits from that mess. Chiefly when one thinks of RPG mechanics as points of player fiat over the fiction; typically (and in fact desirably) stochastic.Example - In the Court of Stars our players want permission to open the Terrible Door. They of course role-play the negotiation and that may be enough, but they are able to make a gameful move also. The glamour bard might attempt an enthralling performance and make a Charisma (Persuasion) check. I wouldn't call this SP if there were no connection between their playful actions and their gameful ones, and this is achieved through managing the stochastic nature of the interaction. A DM might set advantage or disadvantage, might grant or deny a roll, and so on.Being granted permission, they reach the door and must circumvent its traps. The arcane trickster might put mage hand or unseen servant to work here. Through recognising that in order to address game as game, SP must in the end engage with the mechanics, we might give ourselves permission to achieve a more delightful sharing of the narrative.</blockquote>