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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8280523" data-attributes="member: 42582">I like this very much! Including your doubts about how much the GM is really adjudicating the fiction vs making things up. This is why I think the shared conventions/expectations of play, which are hinted at in things like the DMG text I quoted upthread, or Gygax's list of tricks in his DMG appendices, etc, are so important - they help establish what we could call the received degree and focus of granularity.I'm not 100% sure I've followed you here. I think the key feature of the single Diplomacy check is that we have elided fiction - eg what exactly did my guy say to the Court of Stars? - which by convention is meant to be adduced. Vincent Baker talks about this on <a href="http://lumpley.com/index.php/anyway/thread/456" target="_blank">one of his blogs</a>:Here's a quick resolution mechanism. 1. We each say what our characters are trying to accomplish. For instance: "My character's trying to get away." "My character's trying to shoot yours." 2. We roll dice or draw cards against one another to see which character or characters accomplish what they're trying to accomplish. For instance: "Oh no! My character doesn't get away." "Hooray! My character shoots yours." What must we establish before we roll? What our characters intend to accomplish. What does the roll decide? Whether our characters indeed accomplish what they intend. What do the rules never, ever, ever require us to say? The details of our characters' actual actions. It's like one minute both our characters are poised to act, and the next minute my character's stuck in the room and your character's shot her, but we never see my character scrambling to open the window and we never hear your character's gun go off.3E, at least as played, seems to have a lot of us "never seeing the character actually poke around the room or say anything to the Court".I don't think this difference from a "skilled play" approach detracts from your remarks I've quoted above about the limits and potential arbitrariness of the GM's adjudication of the fiction.</blockquote>

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