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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8280550" data-attributes="member: 23751">I explicitly said that the DM ISN'T saying no. He can't without breaking the social contract.I don't really understand what you are saying here.  How is rolling a 2 and seeing nothing a violation of the social contract?  That just seems like a poor roll where you'd probably see nothing.If the only way the DM can say no is to violate the social contact, then it's irrelevant to game play.  DMs just don't do that and keep a game going for more than a session, so there's no point in even considering it.  And no, I didn't reject it re: the social contract.  I rejected the argument that the DM cannot say no. He can, but it violates the social contract if he does so in a place where the rule/common sense don't support him.  We agreed that it was a violation.  We disagreed that the violation meant that he could not possibly say no.  He can as he has the power granted to him by the game.  He just won't, because it violates the social contract.  In any case, we have already been over this part before and it's not really applicable to this discussion anyway, so we might as well drop it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>