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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8290346" data-attributes="member: 6801252">I think it was very fun tactical combat for the time (and specifically for a TRPG), but it had a lot of kinks (early Monster Manual math creating dragging encounters, lots of trap options, relatively complex math) that held it back. I'm dripping with praise for 4e (it was my first TRPG) but I'd say Pathfinder 2e has surpassed it, and honestly 13th age probably did as well at the time, but I imagine a lot of this is games being intertextual with 4e and building on its ideas since it came out a decade ago. In terms of Dungeon ethos, 4e benefits from fewer, but larger set piece encounters with lots of moving parts players have to manage, so that they can skillfully deploy their abilities in exciting ways (for instance, a Defender might question which enemy they mark, a controller might need to make value judgements about whether to shut down a big boi or clear the minions, and so forth-- which becomes in turn more interesting if you're fighting in a maze of short passageways, or if there's a massive environmental hazard, or if you're fighting on a platform suspended over a massive drop), but rather than exclusively making dungeons small, it actually (in my experience of course) encourages us to fill the rest of the dungeon with other elements-- opportunities to talk with NPCs, puzzles, descriptions of rooms and making those elements more of an event in their own right so that combat doesn't have to be filler. Honestly this discussion is super helpful, I could benefit from a back to basics approach to my dungeon design.</blockquote>

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