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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6463091" data-attributes="member: 22779">Oh, I'll totally agree that healing in combat in 3e was a thing.  I think I've said as much earlier.  In 3e, healing in combat was pretty much a given, and you didn't even need fireballs to do it.  When creatures are generally capable of doing about 10*CR per round in damage, and most PC's are not getting 10 hp/level, it was either heal in combat or lose PC's.  Which meant that cleric players started getting pressured, pretty heavily, to give up their action to keep the other characters in the fight.If you like that sort of thing, great.  I do, so, it never bothered me too much.  But, I can totally see why someone wouldn't want to do that.  Especially considering how long it could take to resolve rounds in 3e.  I've seen 20 minute rounds in 3e and 10 minute rounds were not uncommon.  If I'm only going to act three times in an hour, spending two of those actions healing the fighter could be seen as pretty darn boring.Thus, the 4e cleric was born - you could still heal, but, you didn't have to have that be the only thing you did, and, by and large, individual rounds are much faster in 4e than in 3e.  The combats might take longer, because you're playing out eight to ten rounds instead of three or four, but, you did get to do stuff a lot more often in 4e.  Particularly with classes like the Warlord or the Cleric which had a lot of off turn reactions (which, unfortunately, probably slowed the game down even more - they really overdid that kind of thing with some of the later classes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> ).  And, sure, fighters were out damaging clerics in AD&D.  By a fair bit.  I did say that clerics were second best.  There's a pretty big jump  between second and first, mostly due to percentile strength and multiple attacks.  To balance that out, clerics got some absolutely devastating spells - Hold Person, a second level Save or Die (at -4 if you only targeted one person), Know Alignment (brutal for resolving any sort of mystery), Blindness (the reverse of Cure Blindness) was permanent, Spiritual Hammer is also nasty.  All perfectly core, open to clerics right out of the box.</blockquote>

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