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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 6473469" data-attributes="member: 4892">The initial hit may be, but the poison itself need not be. That was the point I thought you were inferring. But what you later go on to call a flaw in all editions of D&D, I see as a feature. I agree completely with MechaPilot:The hit point system is kept vague enough to not tie any DM into a single explanation and allow them to envision it as they wish.Question for those that believe 4E was the outlier for the hp=meat crowd. Could it be that 4E just gives too many hit points? I mean, your real hit points are max hp x # of healing surges. It seems like hp=meat gets harder to explain as hit points grow but the target stays human-sized or smaller. A dragon with a boatload of hp seems OK as meat, while a human with the same starts to stretch things. Especially when your hp in 4E grew as such while damage per hit did not. Just wondering if that's a factor in the feel of things.</blockquote>