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<blockquote data-quote="catastrophic" data-source="post: 4923604" data-attributes="member: 81381"><p><strong><span style="color: red">Admin note: this has been addressed. In the mean time, we're leaving this up as a good example of how <em>not</em> to post at ENW. Confrontative insults aren't a great way to get anyone to pay attention to you. ~ Piratecat</span></strong> </p><p></p><p>I'm not going to go back and fourth with you when your argument is absurd and clearly untrue. I see you're backpedalling a bit in your latest post, but it doesn't change the fact that your criticism of WOTC's marketing is absurd.</p><p> </p><p>You're just drawing arbitary lines and creating a set of contrived rules in order to juge WOTC a failure while, for instance, denying that Pazio falls under the same criticism even though it obviously should. </p><p> </p><p>*It is not a faux pass from a marketing perspective to claim the new model is better than the old model. It is certainly not considered bad form for RPGs and similar games to talk about how they've improved from edition to edition- some fans may disagree, but no matter what you may claim, the retro faction of an edition war is not the majority vote it pretends to be, and it's not going to be mollified by 'different not better'.</p><p> </p><p>*Advertising relies on subjective factors at least as much as objective data, and frankly it tends to rely on non-objective data a great deal more. If you aren't aware of that, welcome to planet earth, where you need to drink coke to enjoy life and 'life' is a synonym for 'carbon'.</p><p> </p><p>*Oh, and patches are increasingly promoted and certainly advertised. For instance Valve promotes it's updates to tf2, going as far as to release short animated films and using other promotional methods to raise awareness of the product, such as splash pages on a part of steam normally used only to advertise upcoming products. When DOW2 got a major overhaul of it's balance and gameplay, the developers advertised it with videos and branding and even gave it a fancy name based on the game's setting ("there is only war"). And no, you can't brush this aside by drawing yet another arbitary line between 'promotion' and 'awareness'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="catastrophic, post: 4923604, member: 81381"] [b][color=red]Admin note: this has been addressed. In the mean time, we're leaving this up as a good example of how [i]not[/i] to post at ENW. Confrontative insults aren't a great way to get anyone to pay attention to you. ~ Piratecat[/color][/b][color=red][/color] I'm not going to go back and fourth with you when your argument is absurd and clearly untrue. I see you're backpedalling a bit in your latest post, but it doesn't change the fact that your criticism of WOTC's marketing is absurd. You're just drawing arbitary lines and creating a set of contrived rules in order to juge WOTC a failure while, for instance, denying that Pazio falls under the same criticism even though it obviously should. *It is not a faux pass from a marketing perspective to claim the new model is better than the old model. It is certainly not considered bad form for RPGs and similar games to talk about how they've improved from edition to edition- some fans may disagree, but no matter what you may claim, the retro faction of an edition war is not the majority vote it pretends to be, and it's not going to be mollified by 'different not better'. *Advertising relies on subjective factors at least as much as objective data, and frankly it tends to rely on non-objective data a great deal more. If you aren't aware of that, welcome to planet earth, where you need to drink coke to enjoy life and 'life' is a synonym for 'carbon'. *Oh, and patches are increasingly promoted and certainly advertised. For instance Valve promotes it's updates to tf2, going as far as to release short animated films and using other promotional methods to raise awareness of the product, such as splash pages on a part of steam normally used only to advertise upcoming products. When DOW2 got a major overhaul of it's balance and gameplay, the developers advertised it with videos and branding and even gave it a fancy name based on the game's setting ("there is only war"). And no, you can't brush this aside by drawing yet another arbitary line between 'promotion' and 'awareness'. [/QUOTE]
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