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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 4923809" data-attributes="member: 80487">"What if" 4e had turned out not to be what it is? The problem, I think, is that the negativity in the selling accurately reflected the design goals. The aim was not to improve 3e, but to produce a game for people who didn't like a whole lot of what D&D had been from the start. That was bound to piss off people who did like the game for which it was billed as a replacement.That replacement was a key factor. People can't buy what's not on offer, so if you choose to stop offering it then losing their patronage is a lump you choose to take.I expect the Wizards had enough moxie to know that going in.</blockquote>