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<blockquote data-quote="TheFindus" data-source="post: 4924943" data-attributes="member: 75791"><p>When I first heard of 4e, I was exited, although I had been an avid suporter of 3.5. And looking back at the marketing they did, I think they presented a good amount of information about how 4e would look like.</p><p></p><p>I did and do not have a problem with the fact that they pointed out the flaws of 3.5 and how they tried to fix those in 4e. In fact, I agreed with almost all of them and I see how 4e has changed those issues to the better.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, I could not agree more to those who say that they could have toned down some of the negative remarks on 3.5, no matter how much I agreed with them. I remember either Mike Mearls or David Noonan saying in one of their podcasts that he would not be willing to play 3.5 anymore now that he had been playtesting 4e for quite some time.</p><p>Now, as a normal player or normal DM, one could say something like this. I would have said something like this in some sort of nerdish affection. But as somebody who represents WotC in an official podcast, it makes poor marketing IMO, because it might alienate those who would be willing to try 4e out although liking 3.5 despite its flaws.</p><p>Then again, Mike Mearls and David Noonan are not the marketing team, but designers. But judging from the podcast, they are as nerdish sometimes as all roleplayers that I know (me included) get. And they might not have thought about the effect their comments would have in todays internet.</p><p></p><p>Regarding Paizo, I do feel, after lurking through many many threads on ENworld that a lot of people seem to think this company seems more altruistic than WotC. A lot of people seem to forget that Paizo made money with another company's product and development which WotC gave away for free. Now, when WotC decides to take part of the "free" away, everybody gets all upset and trashes WotC for the GSL ("it should have been an OGL, not GSL"). And everybody seems to applaud Paizo for their "new" Pathfinder roleplaying game, when instead they should be on their knees, thanking WotC to produce 3.x and the OGL in the first place. They made Paizo and Pathfinder possible. In my opinion, it was a legitimate move not to produce another OGL, because the OGL only makes the competition stronger. And why would you want that?</p><p></p><p>It does not make WotC evil (I think that is what some people mean when they say that "the suits" have taken over). WotC is not the BBEG.</p><p></p><p>And 4e is a very fine product. DDI is much cheaper than buying the printed magazines here in Germany every month. Plus with all the added content, it does the right things for me as a DM.</p><p></p><p>(edited for spelling)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheFindus, post: 4924943, member: 75791"] When I first heard of 4e, I was exited, although I had been an avid suporter of 3.5. And looking back at the marketing they did, I think they presented a good amount of information about how 4e would look like. I did and do not have a problem with the fact that they pointed out the flaws of 3.5 and how they tried to fix those in 4e. In fact, I agreed with almost all of them and I see how 4e has changed those issues to the better. Having said that, I could not agree more to those who say that they could have toned down some of the negative remarks on 3.5, no matter how much I agreed with them. I remember either Mike Mearls or David Noonan saying in one of their podcasts that he would not be willing to play 3.5 anymore now that he had been playtesting 4e for quite some time. Now, as a normal player or normal DM, one could say something like this. I would have said something like this in some sort of nerdish affection. But as somebody who represents WotC in an official podcast, it makes poor marketing IMO, because it might alienate those who would be willing to try 4e out although liking 3.5 despite its flaws. Then again, Mike Mearls and David Noonan are not the marketing team, but designers. But judging from the podcast, they are as nerdish sometimes as all roleplayers that I know (me included) get. And they might not have thought about the effect their comments would have in todays internet. Regarding Paizo, I do feel, after lurking through many many threads on ENworld that a lot of people seem to think this company seems more altruistic than WotC. A lot of people seem to forget that Paizo made money with another company's product and development which WotC gave away for free. Now, when WotC decides to take part of the "free" away, everybody gets all upset and trashes WotC for the GSL ("it should have been an OGL, not GSL"). And everybody seems to applaud Paizo for their "new" Pathfinder roleplaying game, when instead they should be on their knees, thanking WotC to produce 3.x and the OGL in the first place. They made Paizo and Pathfinder possible. In my opinion, it was a legitimate move not to produce another OGL, because the OGL only makes the competition stronger. And why would you want that? It does not make WotC evil (I think that is what some people mean when they say that "the suits" have taken over). WotC is not the BBEG. And 4e is a very fine product. DDI is much cheaper than buying the printed magazines here in Germany every month. Plus with all the added content, it does the right things for me as a DM. (edited for spelling) [/QUOTE]
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