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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4925163" data-attributes="member: 65637"><p>As I said, I do not have the books or quotes with me on hand :U</p><p></p><p>Why does it matter exactly what they said, if you don't mind me asking? Clearly, people <strong>were</strong> insulted by the marketing. It's very likely that WotC didn't intend to insult their customers, ok, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened.</p><p></p><p>When you tell someone "Well, <strong>I</strong> wasn't insulted, and you shouldn't be insulted either," then you're demeaning them and their opinion. You don't get lively discussions going by telling people to shut up because they don't matter.</p><p></p><p>I'm glad a lot of people here were happy with the marketing and didn't feel snubbed or insulted. Really, feeling snubbed and insulted sucks, and it's better when people don't feel that way. <strong><em>But others were</em></strong>, and when you tell them to suck it up and go away, you're telling them that they don't matter. And such is what brings about edition wars. Because here's the thing - the edition wars weren't about one edition being "better" then the others, the edition wars were about two groups who felt the other was trying to marginalize them, and felt they had to marginalize them better, faster, and more.</p><p></p><p>Telling a fairly sizable group of people, at least on these forums, that they're wrong about being insulted because <em>you</em> didn't feel that way? That's marginalizing. It raises hackles. You're telling them - be it that you mean to or not - that they should leave because they don't matter.</p><p></p><p>And it's most <em>not-awesome</em>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4925163, member: 65637"] As I said, I do not have the books or quotes with me on hand :U Why does it matter exactly what they said, if you don't mind me asking? Clearly, people [B]were[/B] insulted by the marketing. It's very likely that WotC didn't intend to insult their customers, ok, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened. When you tell someone "Well, [B]I[/B] wasn't insulted, and you shouldn't be insulted either," then you're demeaning them and their opinion. You don't get lively discussions going by telling people to shut up because they don't matter. I'm glad a lot of people here were happy with the marketing and didn't feel snubbed or insulted. Really, feeling snubbed and insulted sucks, and it's better when people don't feel that way. [B][I]But others were[/I][/B], and when you tell them to suck it up and go away, you're telling them that they don't matter. And such is what brings about edition wars. Because here's the thing - the edition wars weren't about one edition being "better" then the others, the edition wars were about two groups who felt the other was trying to marginalize them, and felt they had to marginalize them better, faster, and more. Telling a fairly sizable group of people, at least on these forums, that they're wrong about being insulted because [I]you[/I] didn't feel that way? That's marginalizing. It raises hackles. You're telling them - be it that you mean to or not - that they should leave because they don't matter. And it's most [I]not-awesome[/I]. [/QUOTE]
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