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<blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 4926161" data-attributes="member: 80487"><p>The trouble with "the marketing" is that it's accurate; the problem is the attitude expressed in the game design itself.</p><p></p><p>If Hasbro decides to slap the <strong>Diplomacy</strong> trademark on a quite different game with the quite different concerns of <em>Axis & Allies</em>, well -- if that's what I want, then I can just play A&A (another Hasbro product) instead.</p><p></p><p>What's offensive is people coming into "our house" as it were -- the D&D game we've been playing in some cases since before some of those people were born -- and tearing it down to build whatever the hell they happen to prefer. They're just passing through, and they're acting like <em>landlords</em> rather than custodians.</p><p></p><p>Whatever one's appraisal of the epic fantasies of Terry Brooks, David Eddings, Dennis L. McKiernan, etc., they did not take the title <em>The Lord of the Rings</em>.</p><p></p><p>The prevailing attitude, both at the corporate level and apparently among "D&D fans", seems now to be either that D&D deserves no such respect because it's not "literary" -- or that Tolkien's and others' is due none either.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, not only has Tolkien's work not been put out of print in favor of a "new edition" of Peter Jackson's devising, but an actual new prose edition of <em>The Children of Hurin</em> has been released to solid sales. Nor has the Sci-Fi Channel's abomination replaced Le Guin's classic Earthsea books.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ariosto, post: 4926161, member: 80487"] The trouble with "the marketing" is that it's accurate; the problem is the attitude expressed in the game design itself. If Hasbro decides to slap the [b]Diplomacy[/b] trademark on a quite different game with the quite different concerns of [i]Axis & Allies[/i], well -- if that's what I want, then I can just play A&A (another Hasbro product) instead. What's offensive is people coming into "our house" as it were -- the D&D game we've been playing in some cases since before some of those people were born -- and tearing it down to build whatever the hell they happen to prefer. They're just passing through, and they're acting like [i]landlords[/i] rather than custodians. Whatever one's appraisal of the epic fantasies of Terry Brooks, David Eddings, Dennis L. McKiernan, etc., they did not take the title [i]The Lord of the Rings[/i]. The prevailing attitude, both at the corporate level and apparently among "D&D fans", seems now to be either that D&D deserves no such respect because it's not "literary" -- or that Tolkien's and others' is due none either. Fortunately, not only has Tolkien's work not been put out of print in favor of a "new edition" of Peter Jackson's devising, but an actual new prose edition of [i]The Children of Hurin[/i] has been released to solid sales. Nor has the Sci-Fi Channel's abomination replaced Le Guin's classic Earthsea books. [/QUOTE]
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