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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4927044" data-attributes="member: 710">I could take from this thread that people prefer to be lied to professionally by marketing then hearing designers honest thoughts. If a designer tells you an old rule didn't work well and was "un-fun" and he has created a new rule that works better and is more fun, is that really an insult to you? Or is it not more a promise: "I think I found a flaw and found a way to fix it."But maybe it's just that marketing can't succeed for everyone. Pathfinders goal - according to marketing and designer speech - was not an overhaul of the system. It was not there to fix all the various problems I found with the game (despite liking it a lot at the same time.) It is "just" there to keep 3E in print. Maybe a little to create a fresh breeze making it interesting again. But nothing that addresses my issues with the system. If I wanted to be offended, I could say they are just trying to sell me the same old and don't really bother with innovation, believing I was stupid enough to fall for that trick.Of course, that's selling them short and putting a negative spin on what they did. In fact, I think they are doing pretty good work for what the set out to do and there is a significant market that wants what they do. I am not part of that market. Their marketing is not aimed at me. That's fine with me. I think 4E marketing succeeded pretty well, overall. It attracted the audience it targetted. It got me interested and excited. It motiviated fans to create their own adventures based on preview materials and Gameday material. Some people felt offended, but I didn't gain the impression so far they liked the rules, either. If that's true, it's only failure is that it didn't dupe people that wouldn't care for the system to buy it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> (But I think it even got that covered.)</blockquote>

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