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<blockquote data-quote="Shazman" data-source="post: 4927134" data-attributes="member: 13509"><p>Probably because they never said that the old grapple rules were horrible or unfun, and that if you used them regularly in your games, your games weren't much fun.&nbsp; In other words, they did exactly the opposite of WotC. They didn't go on and on about how much grappling was a soul killing unfun experience, and that their fix was so cool and awesome, but they couldn't tell you why.&nbsp; You just have to trust them. They said that they were merging the special combat options, with all of their differing subsystems, into a more streamlined and unified mechanic.&nbsp; That is exactly what they did.&nbsp; I wonder if the real problem is that there was little to no official marketing of 4E.&nbsp; It was mostly designer blogs, messageboard posts, etc.&nbsp; Of course, the few official pieces of marketing I am aware of (the horrible youtube video and the preview books) did have some of the more inflammatory statments.&nbsp; I guess the 4E marketing was just too amateurish to do anything but come accross as either insulting or pathetic.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Shazman, post: 4927134, member: 13509"] Probably because they never said that the old grapple rules were horrible or unfun, and that if you used them regularly in your games, your games weren't much fun. In other words, they did exactly the opposite of WotC. They didn't go on and on about how much grappling was a soul killing unfun experience, and that their fix was so cool and awesome, but they couldn't tell you why. You just have to trust them. They said that they were merging the special combat options, with all of their differing subsystems, into a more streamlined and unified mechanic. That is exactly what they did. I wonder if the real problem is that there was little to no official marketing of 4E. It was mostly designer blogs, messageboard posts, etc. Of course, the few official pieces of marketing I am aware of (the horrible youtube video and the preview books) did have some of the more inflammatory statments. I guess the 4E marketing was just too amateurish to do anything but come accross as either insulting or pathetic. [/QUOTE]

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