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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4928208" data-attributes="member: 22779">I'm not saying people are lying.  I am however, saying that the reader filters people have are perhaps coloring their memories.  Again, I've asked twice for actual quotes from blogs or books that were insulting.  We've gotten two quotes, both of which, when placed within their proper context, aren't all that insulting at all.I'm sorry if providing both sides of a discussion, and then taking one side is insulting to you, but, again, from any sort of objective standpoint, they really aren't.It's become this oft repeated point that WOTC was constantly bashing 3e.  Yet, when I ask for proof of this, all I get are cricket sounds.  Sure, one single presentation at Gen Con?  That's your entire proof?Heck, it's like the terms of use at Gleemax.  People were up in arms that WOTC was trying to steal their work.  Yet, when it was pointed out that pretty much every corporate online forum, like say, Science Fiction Book Club, that features lots of ties to published works, have almost word for word exactly the same terms of use, it didn't matter.  WOTC was still a bunch of evil bastards trying to steal hard working fans work.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />Look at print Dungeon adventures.  Find me five adventures that are not almost solely focused on killing/looting.  I've got most of the last two years of print Dungeon, plus a smattering of earlier magazines.  Yet, surprisingly, almost every single adventure is kill and loot.But, for some reason, it's WRONG when WOTC does it.  Find me a fairy rings, RP heavy module from, say, Goodman Games.  Or anyone else for that matter.It absolutely blows my mind that anyone would argue that official, or at least published, D&D is not combat heavy kill and loot.  Compare the number of splat books that are pretty much nothing but power ups (or at least power sideways) for characters to the number of crunch-less supplements.  If the ratio is not at least 10:1, I'll eat my hat.But, when James Wyatt points out this very obvious fact, he's trashing people's play styles?  He's just supposed to close his eyes to the truth?  Come on.  Saying that D&D is about combat and killing monsters is not trashing anyone's playstyles, it's bloody basic fact.</blockquote>

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