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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lutecius" data-source="post: 4931887" data-attributes="member: 60332">Then it should have been possible to rebalance things without breaking the mold, don't you think?Fleshing out doesn't necessarily mean changing radically (just saying. I'm not very familiar with 0D&D but the argument seems flawed)Uhm... no.I do think 3e was a huge step forward but 4e is just as much a departure.First, the power system is an essential part of 4e. Ability scores also work differently. Specific power lists for every class and restrictions on multiclassing make character building quite different. NPCs and monsters now work under completely different assumptions. The nerfing of save-or-die effects and the "extended sweet spot" over 30 levels certainly changed the gaming experience, for good or ill. Those are not "a few odds and sods".On topic,I did find the marketing and publishing strategy off-putting. With a different approach I might have bought the first core books but ultimately I don't like 4e's design philosophy (more abstract, less flexible) so it probably wouldn't have made a difference for me (I doubt many are going to admit otherwise anyway, most people like to think of themselves as logical.)Unlike others here, I didn't expect backward compatibility and really wanted significant changes (that's the point of a new edition.) For me 3e definitely had balance issue, I was never a fan of Vancian casting, I found the old alignment and cosmology awkward and couldn't care less about the gnome. Actually, many of the announced changes sounded good to me (at first)And yet, even before I realised I wouldn't like the "fixes", I found WotC's attitude really arrogant (peremptory statements about what is fun/cool and what isn't, unnecessarily aggravating cartoons, designer jokes that could be funny for those who like a particular change but come off as rubbing it in to those who don't, imprudent ddi announcements, overpriced previews…)</blockquote>

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