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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4670521" data-attributes="member: 18280">And I am saying that the &quot;strong implication&quot; in the half-orc backstory is largely a product of your expectations, as is the lack of &quot;strong implication&quot; in the tiefling backstory.&nbsp; The level of implication in backstory, in any D&amp;D or AD&amp;D book, is the same.&nbsp; You, not the books, are colouring it differently.EDIT:&nbsp; For example, how many D&amp;D adventures have you seen where orcs have a human leader?&nbsp; I know that I have seen quite a few.&nbsp; That suggests orcs and humans can have consensual relationships right there, to me at least.&nbsp; 1e orcs were Lawful Evil -- they had rules in an ordered society.&nbsp; Again, this suggests that their relationships might require consent.&nbsp; Likewise, you might successfully argue that devils require consent (although said consent is very likely to be gained by trickery, esp. in 4e, where the succubus is a devil, and thus arguably still rape [not a lawyer, but I wouldn't advise trying &quot;I tricked her into giving consent&quot; as a defense]), but the demon/devil backstory throughout mythology, fantasy fiction, and legend leans at least as heavily toward rape as a normative with infernal powers as does the half-orc backstory in LotR.&nbsp; Consensual intercourse with infernal powers, at least in mythology, implies a loss of the soul -- as in the Middle Age's Witches' Sabbat -- in effect, something that some folks might consider far, far worse than rape.&nbsp; RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4670521, member: 18280"] And I am saying that the "strong implication" in the half-orc backstory is largely a product of your expectations, as is the lack of "strong implication" in the tiefling backstory. The level of implication in backstory, in any D&D or AD&D book, is the same. You, not the books, are colouring it differently. EDIT: For example, how many D&D adventures have you seen where orcs have a human leader? I know that I have seen quite a few. That suggests orcs and humans can have consensual relationships right there, to me at least. 1e orcs were Lawful Evil -- they had rules in an ordered society. Again, this suggests that their relationships might require consent. Likewise, you [i]might[/i] successfully argue that devils require consent (although said consent is very likely to be gained by trickery, esp. in 4e, where the succubus is a devil, and thus arguably still rape [not a lawyer, but I wouldn't advise trying "I tricked her into giving consent" as a defense]), but the demon/devil backstory throughout mythology, fantasy fiction, and legend leans at least as heavily toward rape as a normative with infernal powers as does the half-orc backstory in LotR. [i]Consensual[/i] intercourse with infernal powers, at least in mythology, implies a loss of the soul -- as in the Middle Age's Witches' Sabbat -- in effect, something that some folks might consider far, far worse than rape. RC [/QUOTE]

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