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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreenTengu" data-source="post: 8113751" data-attributes="member: 6777454">One lives in hot climates, one lives in cold climates. One lives in cities, one lives in the wild. One represents the dangers of totalitarianism, one represents the dangers of chaos. One is organized and calculating, the other is spiritual and emotional.How can you claim they represent the same ecological niche at all?Sure-- they can both be opponents starting from the earliest levels, but given that you can can level up and humanoid creature with class levels-- that just means that they can be opponents regardless of level while most other enemies can only come into the picture after one reaches certain levels.Just because they don't have any particular super-human abilities? Well-- neither do humans. Nor do Elves or Dwarves, for that matter-- they are all basically just mildly altered humans as far as most things are concerned. Tieflings and Aasimar don't do anything particularly special that can't be picked up by humans with a slight level-dip into the right class. Same is more or less true of Gith.And, really, if the PC versions were properly built-- maybe a quick level dip into Barbarian could allow a human to pick up what an Orc does and maybe  a quick dip into Bard or Fighter could allow them to pick up what the Hobgoblin does, just the same as it is pretty easy to emulate the Aasimar or Tiefling or Elf or Dwarf from the basic human start.The basic mechanics of it all shouldn't matter nearly as much as the narrative of it. And narratively the concepts over the last 20 years have grown to be worlds apart.If you can understand there is a difference between a hyena and a snow leopard in ecological niche beyond "better organized", then you should be able to see the difference between Orcs and Hobgoblins no problem.Orcs are snow leopards, Hobgoblins are hyenas.You throw an Orc onto the savanah among that competition, they are screwed and will get killed themselves killed in a day trying to take on a lion. Throw a Hobgoblin along in the Himalayan mountains alone and they will be totally lost and starve or freeze to death in a day.</blockquote>

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