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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1567553" data-attributes="member: 8439">frightning, yes, but logical hardly if you mean that the conclusion will follow from the premise. I rather liked a bit in the Cartoon History of the Universe illustrating the breakdown of such a system. A sizable wing of an army has lost their way in a swamp, and the commander is talking to his second in command.Whats the penalty for rebellion?Death.Huh, whats the penalty for being late on assigned movements?Er... death.Guess what, we're late.cut to scene of destructive rebellion.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  In the smaller scale, such a system means that if you lose your temper and slap someone, you might as well kill them, since murder carries the same penalty as simple assualt. If you feel driven to commit a robbery, you're better off murdering any witnesses and burning down the place to hide the evidence because you haven't increased your penalty if you do get caught. Having a single overwhellming punishment for every crime may cause some people not to commit crimes at all, but on a society wide level it will just escalate crimes to the highest degree.Anyway, as for the larger question, I generally agree that lawful doesn't HAVE to mean law abiding (though it can) but would point out that the Paladin specificly is not bound merely by being lawful good, but by a specific code which includes respecting legitamate authority (and no word games that any authority which would disagree with him on any point is illegitamate). So its IMHO important for these discussion to look at either non paladin lawful behaviour or paladin behaviour, not conflate the two.Kahuna Burger</blockquote>

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