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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack7" data-source="post: 4865208" data-attributes="member: 54707">Concur with these statements Reynard.However I'd like to expand upon some of your statements from my point of view. I also think fantasy is about "breaking reality" on occasion so that the juxtapositioning of reality versus counter-reality (or perhaps alternate reality) leads to a sort of third type of intermingled reality, the "super-reality." But this super-reality does not operate constantly, (or it cannot be constantly perceived, which to us is the same thing) it is a sort of "breakthrough reality" of the ways things could be, or might be, if reality were different. Yet it is only when normal reality and the counter-reality intermingles that the super-reality adds some value to both other realities that they could not have if the super-reality were all there was. Relatively speaking. That is to say if the super-reality were all there were then it would be "ordinary reality" and so not so very special at all. As you hinted and implied in some of your statements. But when normal reality is "excited" then it becomes "hyper-impressive." Therefore it is very valuable to have a normal reality as a base-line or starting point in order to work expansively towards a greater reality. If you start at the finishing point then you're already there with no-where really to go but around in circles. So reality serves an important role as "home port" from which you embark on the journey towards the unknown, the exciting, and the adventurous. The point of the journey is to sail form where you are, at the point at which you already familiar with everything (or at least you think you are) towards that land that is the undiscovered country, which is very different from your own, until you realize by being there awhile it is not so very alien after all. Only different. So you go out towards the strange to find what you could not find at home, only to return home and realize that the home you left is now much stranger than you left it because you have become infected with a new way of looking at it. Truth is it was always strange and fascinating and marvelous, you just didn't see it. Reality changes not because reality changes, but because our perception of it does. And without the foundation of our original velocity it cannot change, and neither can we. (Though neither really changes, yet both become different.)This is the mundane and imaginative corollary of what you said about reality making magic that much more magical. If magic is everywhere then it is in effect nowhere in particular. If miracles occur any moment at which they are wished they are not miracles, they are just the ordinary functioning of the world, like air or water. In other words that which is truly impressive is impressive because it is rare enough to be noticeable to all precisely because it is so rare it demands notice whenever it is encountered. So magic doesn't grow on trees, but rather the tree is magical because it grows very differently and acts very differently from all other trees. Anyways you raised some good points again, and that's what we both get for me listening to too much Jack Flanders of late. By the way this thread was too long to read and so I didn't.</blockquote>

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