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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 326426" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>Will try very hard to stay on topic here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Classic tradition paints Satan as being a fallen Archangel.</p><p></p><p>IIRC, it (tradition, and also Revelation) also paints Satan as warring and putting up a heck of a fight against Michael, a fellow arch-angel (not God himself).</p><p></p><p>Since "celestials" are the D&D equivalent to angels, and Solars are the pre-eminent example of celestials, I therefore would rate Michael as a fully-advanced Solar (i.e., advanced to maximum HD).</p><p></p><p>I would rate Satan as a "fully-advanced" fallen Solar minus one HD (i.e., maximum HD minus 1).</p><p></p><p>God, being a deity (not merely a powerful extra-planar creature) is able to grant divine spells. Classically that would probably include the domains of Light, Healing, Knowledge, Good, and Law.</p><p></p><p>Satan, NOT being a full-fledged deity, but instead a very powerful extra-planar creature, could not grant spells. However, Satan's </p><p>"path to power" might be knowledge and extensive training - i.e., wizardly arcane magic where the power is learned, and not inborn.</p><p></p><p>Which provokes an interesting world... one wherein all divine magic comes from a single source (God) and all arcane magic comes from Satan (on the assumption that if God does not grant it, it must come from the other source).</p><p></p><p>Kind of interesting spin, I suppose... how would CE clerics gain spells (perhaps God is testing the faith of the masses by showing them the fallacy of man in order to convince them to trust in God and not in flesh) and how would LG wizards learn (perhaps Satan is trying to corrupt them)?</p><p></p><p>My 2 coppers.</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 326426, member: 2013"] Will try very hard to stay on topic here. :) Classic tradition paints Satan as being a fallen Archangel. IIRC, it (tradition, and also Revelation) also paints Satan as warring and putting up a heck of a fight against Michael, a fellow arch-angel (not God himself). Since "celestials" are the D&D equivalent to angels, and Solars are the pre-eminent example of celestials, I therefore would rate Michael as a fully-advanced Solar (i.e., advanced to maximum HD). I would rate Satan as a "fully-advanced" fallen Solar minus one HD (i.e., maximum HD minus 1). God, being a deity (not merely a powerful extra-planar creature) is able to grant divine spells. Classically that would probably include the domains of Light, Healing, Knowledge, Good, and Law. Satan, NOT being a full-fledged deity, but instead a very powerful extra-planar creature, could not grant spells. However, Satan's "path to power" might be knowledge and extensive training - i.e., wizardly arcane magic where the power is learned, and not inborn. Which provokes an interesting world... one wherein all divine magic comes from a single source (God) and all arcane magic comes from Satan (on the assumption that if God does not grant it, it must come from the other source). Kind of interesting spin, I suppose... how would CE clerics gain spells (perhaps God is testing the faith of the masses by showing them the fallacy of man in order to convince them to trust in God and not in flesh) and how would LG wizards learn (perhaps Satan is trying to corrupt them)? My 2 coppers. --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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